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  BC parents back in court

  by Stealth453 in

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  2. scandals

  http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/sextuplets_court

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  Borgia

  THe father refers to his babies as sextuplets.......Like the medical wanted to take all of them away. They would help the parents to give birth to a healthy(er) twin.

  That is a whole different image. He is trying to play the role of victim and thus trying to get sympathisers.

  Dispicable.

  In our cong NO elder wanted to give any enlightening comments on the ethical implications of this case and given the fact that this is a huge story in that corner of the world: My JW sources out there are deafeing silent. The only comment they offered was: take note: the slave will send there best and brightest and will win.

  Sigh......

  Cheers

  Borgia
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  Report on Todays special talk

  by stillajwexelder in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  ok - so special talk today - you can feel safe in a troubled world.

  15 minutes devoted to to how bad things are.

  iraq and usa were headlined and 1914 was mentioned > 20 times.

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  As for out little neck of the woods: droning 20 minutes about how bad this world is. That earthquackes makes you to lose your sense of securty. Being robed at bright daylight bla bla....this did not happend in the past...blabla.

  They totally lost me after 5 minutes.....and woke up after 2 hours....

  Cheers

  Borgia
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  JW forwards...

  by metaspy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i remember seeing a thread on stories that get forwarded around by jws.. i just got one and i cant imagine that it is true:.

  god and the spider.

  during world war ii, the persecution had been intense.

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  Borgia

  Nice one for the yearbook...

  I am just not to sure about the country it should go with....

  Cheers

  Borgia
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  Any of you guys into cooking?

  by zagor in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have to admit, for many years i hated it.

  before i got married i used to do lots of my own cooking and enjoy artistry of it.

  heck, i'm not saying i was an expert at it but the important thing was i loved it.. but then things hit the fan and for years after, particularly because being on my own now, i would find any and every excuse in the cookbook not to do it lol.

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  To me cooking is somewhat of a weekend ritual. The kitchen is all mine. The fam is not allowed to enter. My realm! saturday morning is always the moment to discuss: what are we going to eat? Do the shopping on the market. Then, a la moment supreme: lock myself into my realm. Glas(es) of wine, some music, depending on my mood, and cooking.

  Anyone ever had spanish pork? No I do not mean pork in general, but pork that has been running around in the backyard and fed on acorns......? It makes sure that the pork is low on fat and as heathy as olive oil. Taste: tremendously good, it melts on the tong.....

  Getting hungry, yet?

  But as for your responses: Let's have a cooking "contest"!

  Cheers

  Borgia
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  How does the Ransom Sacrifice work? A Primer

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in judaism, only the offended party can forgive you your sin.

  you must make amends or pay a fine.

  that is why murder cannot be forgiven; the deceased is not around to accept your apology or restitution!.

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  What I find interesting is that the idea of atonement has not been elaborated on untill quite late in the gospels for example: Matth 20 (ca 45 AD)and barely a few lines are devoted to that. The only real difference there is the gospel of John but then again that one comes at least 30 - 60 years after Jesus. Quite some time to develop some fancy religious idea. And that brings us to Pauline letters.

  Cheers

  Borgia
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  Update: Elders on the move....

  by drew sagan in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  well everybody, i think a little update is in order here with what is going on in my world.

  much has happened, and it appears that much more is going to happen quite quickly.

  for those of you that don't know, the poster amber rose is my wife.

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  Hi Drew,

  It's tough that you and Amber are going through this. Is you MIL the only one who have mentioned it to the elders?

  In that case play dummy and let the two witness rule apply. If they don't have a case...of they have to go. Pity for them. But this way you can continue your fade without a problem. "Confessing" will not bring you any further, unless you really agree with your MIL to have it ended.

  Disclosing it to you side of the family might proof to be hazardous because then there are at least two witnesses.

  However, if you are ready to take the burn it might proof to be an eyeopener to your parents.

  Cheers

  Borgia
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  An Open Discussion About The Bible

  by The wanderer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

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  would seem unfair to me.. the willingness to reconsider the biblei am debating whether to research the bible and have an open discussion about it.

  the challenge i think is to do it without the influence from a religious source.

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  Wanderer, have you ever tried to compare nautical maps from say: the 14 hundreds with current maps?

  If you have not, try that one. It may give you some idears about the issue you raised.

  Cheers

  Borgia
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  We know Where/When/What and How...but WHY is the Watchtower here?

  by KW13 in

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  2. friends

  why does the watchtower exist in this modern day world?.

  it started off because someone wanted power, authority and control.

  are those still the main reasons?

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  Asimov wrote a very interesting, although fictitious book about it: Foundation-series. ...Herbert wrote about the same subject from a different angle, although again fictitious: Dune-series.

  These book are not scientific studies, far from it. But you may find somne interesting analogies and mechanisms there.

  Cheers

  Borgia
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  2 Thessalonians 2 vs. JW's

  by *jeremiah* in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in jw land,...how do they deal with the below verses?.

  if christ (according to jw's, not me) returned invisibly in 1914,...then who do they say the "man of lawlessness is who proclaims to be god"?

  ....because the verses say that christ's return will not happen until this "man of lawlessness" is revealed and will perform deceptive signs and miracles.

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  Hi Jeremiah,

  Here a quote from the WT 2003: *** w03 9/1 p. 6 One True Christian Faith—A Reality ***

  The apostle Paul foretold something else that would mark this counterfeit religious system. He wrote: “Let no one seduce you in any manner, because [Jehovah’s day] will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed.” (2 Thessalonians 2:2-4) This “man of lawlessness” is none other than the clergy class that exalted itself into a ruling position over the “Christian” congregation.

  Of course the GB did no such thing. They received a heavenly calling..........

  Cheers

  Borgia
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  Who wants to see this year's DC invitation?

  by sir82 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  if someone is willing to host them, send me your e-mail address in a pm.

  i will send you 4 scanned jpg files, of the invitation & boe letters associated with it.. .

  teaser: there are some brand-new, unprecedented features to this year's dc!.

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  Borgia

  Was not the OT written to the annointed only?

  Then why go at all?

  Cheers

  Borgia