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  Name that TV program

  by WildHorses in

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  i was at work tonight and we were joking around and talking about old shows we used to watch while growing up.

  i thought it would be fun if we wrote a line from a show and see if we could guess what show it came from.

  my name is lenny, and if i ain't got it, there isn't any.

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  Here's another one:

  "I can't believe you fell for it. That's the oldest trick in the book. That's why evil will always win over good, because good is dumb!"
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  Name that TV program

  by WildHorses in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was at work tonight and we were joking around and talking about old shows we used to watch while growing up.

  i thought it would be fun if we wrote a line from a show and see if we could guess what show it came from.

  my name is lenny, and if i ain't got it, there isn't any.

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  How about this one?

  "Maybe we should mess up the place - you know, leave them a little message."
  "I don't think they're gonna get that message, the guy's got worms in his living room."
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  fading away quietly

  by DIM in

  1. jw
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  my wife and i are moving 3000 miles away so that we can fade away as jehovah's witnesses.

  i am looking for suggestions as to what i should do about our publisher record cards (keep them in pa?, get them forwarded to seattle?

  ) so that we can start our lives on the west coast with a fresh start and so we'll just be left alone...any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

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  I see. The family part does make it a bit more difficult, I think the suggestion by Kismet sounds like it would work - sorry, I don't have a suggestion of my own, I was just being nosey.

  I hope it works out for you and your wife, good luck.
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  fading away quietly

  by DIM in

  1. jw
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  my wife and i are moving 3000 miles away so that we can fade away as jehovah's witnesses.

  i am looking for suggestions as to what i should do about our publisher record cards (keep them in pa?, get them forwarded to seattle?

  ) so that we can start our lives on the west coast with a fresh start and so we'll just be left alone...any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

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  DIM, can I ask you a couple questions? If you'd rather not answer that's fine.

  Are you moving strictly to get away from the JW's? Because there are easier ways to get rid of them than moving across the country.

  If you are trying to break away and have no intensions of going back what do you care what happens to your publisher card.

  It may sound harsh, and there may be circumstances that I don't know about, but if you want to leave, leave. They don't have any right to know where you are going or why, you don't tell them anything - just go. If they call you hang up the phone, if they come to your door you close it. It's really that easy.

  I don't mean to offend, and like I said, there may be circumstances that prohibit you from cutting away like that, but if not why drag it out?
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  where can one find faith?

  by conflicted in

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  in an earlier post larsguy said the bible wasn't written for the layperson, but only for serious scholars and followers of christ.. .

  ...you imagine the bible is supposed to be a nice easy book without complexities to confound people, when in fact, if you actually read the bible you'd know that is precisely the case.. the bible is meant for christ and his followers specifically and not for outsiders!.

  didn't you read in scripture when the disciples asked jesus why he spoke in parables that he told them that these secrets were for them and so that the outsiders, looking in vain, would not understand?.

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  It's not necessarily that I want to be like anyone - I'm just looking for answers.

  People are always saying, "Look to the Scriptures." Well, I looked, now what?

  It's not about whether I want to believe, it's whether the scriptures are what religion says they are. The word of God or the word of man?

  Let's say for a sec that God's existence was a proven fact, it still doesn't mean the bible is His word, someone could have made it all up.

  Again I say, Now what?
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  A JW fairy tale

  by beroea in

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  any, many years ago lived an emperor, who thought so much of new clothes that he spent all his money in order to obtain them; his only ambition was to be always well dressed.

  he did not care for his soldiers, and the theatre did not amuse him; the only thing, in fact, he thought anything of was to drive out and show a new suit of clothes.

  he had a coat for every hour of the day; and as one would say of a king.

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  Swindlers played by the GB
  The Emporer played by PO's DO's and CO's
  Imperial Court and Townspeople played by Rank and File
  Little Child played by this board and other apostates

  Good one, that was fun.
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  where can one find faith?

  by conflicted in

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  in an earlier post larsguy said the bible wasn't written for the layperson, but only for serious scholars and followers of christ.. .

  ...you imagine the bible is supposed to be a nice easy book without complexities to confound people, when in fact, if you actually read the bible you'd know that is precisely the case.. the bible is meant for christ and his followers specifically and not for outsiders!.

  didn't you read in scripture when the disciples asked jesus why he spoke in parables that he told them that these secrets were for them and so that the outsiders, looking in vain, would not understand?.

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  In an earlier post larsguy said the bible wasn't written for the layperson, but only for serious scholars and followers of Christ.

  ...you imagine the Bible is supposed to be a nice easy book without complexities to confound people, when in fact, if you actually read the Bible you'd know that is PRECISELY the case.

  The Bible is meant for Christ and his followers SPECIFICALLY and not for outsiders!

  Didn't you read in scripture when the disciples asked Jesus why he spoke in parables that he told them that these secrets were for THEM and so that the outsiders, looking in vain, would not understand?

  So how is it that you think that the Bible is supposed to be understood by nonbelievers at the level of Jesus' followers when he directly says that he deliberately spoke in riddles so that they WOULD NOT understand?

  So your view that the Bible is an open book for the public to read in all simplicity isn't even according to the Bible itself. Instead, it is a book which purposely hides things.

  So now I'm confused - how am I supposed to gain or attain faith in Christ or the Scriptures when I'm not even supposed to be able to understand it - it wasn't written for my benefit.

  I'm not the kind of person who blindly believes what he's told without investigating it on my own. When I look at the bible I see a rambling and inconsistant litanny that only gets more confounding the deeper you look.

  This is supposed to be the guide book to our existence and our relationship with God, and yet it is full of holes and mysteries - and according to larsguy, it's on purpose.

  So my great quandry is how is anyone supposed to attain a faithful relationship with God when the guide He left for us isn't written for the general public? I'm not going to let someone else read it and tell me what it means, I want to know for myself, but in my pursuit all I ended up doing was chasing my tail trying to make sense of it.

  If the bible is God's guide for mankind and it wasn't written for us, where does that leave us?

  What do you think?
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  Bible Error: Jesus Cures the Leper

  by JosephAlward in

  1. watchtower
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  the author of mark thinks that jesus cured the leper after he cured simon peters mother-in-law, but the author of matthew says just the opposite: he thinks that jesus cured the leper before he cured the mother-in-law.

  they both cannot be right, so the bible is in error.

  here is the evidence:.

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  The bible is supposed to be the inspired word of God.
  Each one of the apostles wrote a gospel, some wrote more than one, but only the ones that are 'truely inspired' are included in the holy scriptures.
  And I am supposed to believe that those four gospels , less than one third of the total gospels written, are the best and most accurate.

  When I see blatant contradictions like this I am supposed to take them with a grain of salt, "maybe there's a hidden message in there", or "maybe this part isn't to be taken leterally", or "maybe the chronology isn't as important as the message".
  And after all this I'm supposed to take the rest at face value? - I think not.
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  vegas anyone???

  by peaceloveharmony in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hey, crazy idea from chat.....doesn't a trip to vegas in say january sound great?.

  apost-o-fest 2002 vegas style .

  so whatcha think?

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  Yeah, if this one is a success I will definately go to the next one.

  I hope you guys have a blast.

  life is the opportunity for art
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  vegas anyone???

  by peaceloveharmony in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hey, crazy idea from chat.....doesn't a trip to vegas in say january sound great?.

  apost-o-fest 2002 vegas style .

  so whatcha think?

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  I would love to go, unfortunately, my wife will be 8 months pregnant by then, and with all the smoking in Vegas we have postponed our gambling ventures until after the baby is born.

  Think about me while you're having fun, I wish I could be there.

  Maybe next time.

  life is the opportunity for art