Thanks for the encouragement, everyone. It actually blew over fairly well. My wife does not seem to be holding anything against me and things have gone back to normal. Of course I have made every effort to show her my love and support, so I'm sure that has helped.
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First Time that I Didn't Go to the Memorial - Now Depressed
by daniel-p inso this was the very first time in my whole life that i didn't go to the memorial.
my wife went, and she was sullen before and after... i know she wanted me to go.
i told her afterwards that if she wants me to go next year i would, but she didn't say anything.
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The Last of the Mohicans (1992)
by possible-san ini love this movie.. .
the last of the mohicans-main theme .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tide5c0ofc.
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Rockin movie by Michael Mann (best action movie director), score is truly great, scenes exhilerating, characters well rounded, and DDL is THE MAN!
In my mind, the movie plot (not Cooper's novel) does not necessarily label anyone as the "bad guy" but acknowledges many shades of grey... with waring nations the good guy and bad guy don't really exist. The French-Indian War had many interesting and complicated facets that surpase simplistic portrayals.
And no way would I even treat Dances with Wolves in the same way, that movie was trite, embarrasing, extremely derivitave plot, just lame in every way. Costner is the dirt beneath Day-Lewis's feet. The two movies simply do not compare.
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JW Facebook Group - anarchy at the Memorial LMAO
by James_Slash ini'm sorry but i haven't a clue how to link this so i will just put the address.. http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=342204186793.
this group has been set up by a guy that i knew from my days in the org.
he is the biggest hypocrite going.
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Isn't it strange how apostates are always banging on about Jesus? So many have been duped into thinking that they can gain salvation through Jesus whereas we know salvation is only through association with Jehovah's organization.
LOL!!!
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First Time that I Didn't Go to the Memorial - Now Depressed
by daniel-p inso this was the very first time in my whole life that i didn't go to the memorial.
my wife went, and she was sullen before and after... i know she wanted me to go.
i told her afterwards that if she wants me to go next year i would, but she didn't say anything.
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undercover: It felt like I was taking one of the last remaining things away from her... the chance to go for one night with her husband and not feel lonely when everyone else's family and friends were there. I could see now how she would feel especially lonely... and I guess I absorbed some of that feeling myself.
neverending: She knows I don't beleive a lick of it, and I've been faded 4 years. And I know its all designed to keep me in the fold, but that's just the point; since I've stopped believing, there's no threat. So what's the harm in going for her?
Judge Dread: If only it was that simple.
Witness: Hope so. With my new job across the country, I hope it will give us both a chance to start again in many respects.
Baba: I hear you, but the whole "emptiness" thing hasn't really sunk in yet. I've been reading the Tao te Ching, and I feel the same way... I still don't know what it's talking about half the time.
PSac: I'm not sure. In part, I yearn for some of what I lost: friends, routine, community. Ever since I faded 4 years ago, I've had none of that. Niether has my wife, much. In addition, I want my spirituality back--whatever that was. Of course, it was never much as a JW, but at least I had some pretext of faith then... I like the idea of a personal God or Jesus, but its hard to build this thing back up again. It's like I have a huge house inside me I need to build and its in shambles.. don't know where to begin, don't have any tools, nor any idea what it should look like. In the same way, I want to find a new affinity with something of the God I knew and the Bible, but when I actually read it I can't help but see it for what it is. But in a way, all this existential pain has its own reward. Wanting to find God makes me humble.
Outlaw: Will certainly do this. Maybe a nice big steak dinner--she loves prime rib, and it'd be good for the baby (its at 38 weeks!)
gubberning: I hear you, and think this is the major issue. We've co-existed quite well since I faded, but there is still that division. She hardly goes to meetings (twice a month) and never goes out in service. But she's guilty about it and I think still resents me for influencing her. Of course, I've never opposed her, but taken the high road and not tried to "apostasize" to her. I guess when you look at it, there are two outcome: she leaves the JWs like I did, and we go our merry way, starting fresh, or I acquiesce and we raise our kids as fringe-JWs. OR, of course, we split up somewhere down the road, while she stays in and I get to be the estranged, apostate father. But getting her out intact has been difficult. As I said, I haven't been forceful with her, and never criticise her beliefs. We just don't talk about it. I try to be the best husband I can be, and as loving as possible. But the fact remains as long as she stays in she will not have that "need" met.
Gayle: That is certainly something we should do, although her parents are coming for a visit this weekend and we are planning a special country picnic with them. Plus, only two more weeks till she's due. We're trying to get in as much as we can before we have the baby, but she is still fisnishing nursing school.
Sweeney: I understand. Living on the run describes it well, although it is also living under cover.
thetrueone: I don't have much guilt, but she does, because she knows she's not doing what she should be doing. I don't want her to have any guilt, because she is not capable of coping under that heavy yolk.
Heaven: Someday it may come to that. I will think on that.
Gregor: It's not weenie to be sensitive to your own and others' needs.
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First Time that I Didn't Go to the Memorial - Now Depressed
by daniel-p inso this was the very first time in my whole life that i didn't go to the memorial.
my wife went, and she was sullen before and after... i know she wanted me to go.
i told her afterwards that if she wants me to go next year i would, but she didn't say anything.
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So this was the very first time in my whole life that I didn't go to the Memorial. I didn't want to go, and didn't really think about it much. My wife went, and she was sullen before and after... I know she wanted me to go. I told her afterwards that if she wants me to go next year I would, but she didn't say anything. I want to make her happy.
In any case, I feel depressed now, and I don't know why. I don't necessarily feel like I should have been there, but that it reminded me of my own lack of spirituality. Or emptiness. Or loneliness. Like something in me is meant to be filled, either spiritually or socially.
The emptiness that I feel and the awkwardness with my wife is not something I want to live with the rest of my life.
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Memorial 2010 Your Experiences
by scotinsw injust got back from memorial.
only went so that i could say to my parents that i had gone and to remind myself why i left.. oh my word!!!
it was sooooo painful.. got there a bit late - it was a couple of minutes into the talk.
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I kind of regret not going. I just didn't put a lot of thought into it, and stayed home and cooked some French recipes instead. If I can go and make my wife happy for that one night and help make it special for her, I will, but in a way I just didn't want to revisit all the same emotions I've tried so hard to move past.
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Memorial 2010 Your Experiences
by scotinsw injust got back from memorial.
only went so that i could say to my parents that i had gone and to remind myself why i left.. oh my word!!!
it was sooooo painful.. got there a bit late - it was a couple of minutes into the talk.
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This was the very first time in my entire life that I did not go to the Memorial. My wife went, however, and was sullen the entire time after she got home. I asked her if there was anything we needed to talk about and she brushed it off. I told her that if she wants me to go with her next time I will go, and that seemed to make her feel better, although she didn't really say anything.
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Tea Partiers Say They Would Absolutely Abolish Social Security
by sammielee24 inplease, please, please let the libertarians, republicans and their offshoot the tea party, run on this issue.
oh my heavens what a joy it would be to line up all the runners and tell half of the americans - the vast majority of those who actually live on their social security, that they want to take it away.
abolish it.
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Social Security is not currently sustainable. Love it, hate it, the facts show that it cannot last with current inflow and outflow. Either it stays and retirees get their benefits later and later (and thus undermining the entire purpose of it), or there needs to be some sort of "opt-out" system. At 7.5% of everyone's income, the more prudent among us could surely make good retirement choices in lieu of the government doing so. And it's not like any of this is redistributed... it's not even about that, since this stays YOUR money, not someone else's. Really, SS is simply for those who do not set their own savings limits. It is unfair for everyone to have to relenquish their own methods for investing that 7.5% just because some don't know how to save money.
To me, the obvious choice is to have an opt-out program, where those who want to can do what they like with that 7.5%. Maybe a solution would be for everyone to have to legally demonstrate they saved or invested (in reasonably long-term bonds, etc.) a specific percentage, and if they can't demonstrate it, "do it for them" through SS.
But on the whole, I don't see why Tea-Partiers would stake anything on SS. It's not like it's an income re-distribution (and therefore "socialist") program in the first place. The thing that is screwing SS is changing demographics.
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Will you sink or swim with Jehovah's Organization? June 15, 2010 study article
by truthseeker inhence, many people feel.
of the psalmist?
there they will feel.
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Just think what would become of you if
you were to abandon the protective environment
of the Christian congregation. Many,
recalling their futile course of life before
they accepted the truth, simply shudder at
the thought.HOLY CRAP, could they be more transparently fear-mongering than that?
I can see JWs now, shaking in their boots at the very thought of not having protective MOTHER shielding them from danger.
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Christians from political left and right sign 'Civility Covenant'
by daniel-p in(cnn) -- a group of more than 100 prominent christians ranging from evangelical minister jim wallis on the political left to nixon white house aide chuck colson on the right released a document thursday calling for an end to the fight club tone of the national political discourse.. called the "civility covenant," the document says that churches have too often "reflected the political divisions of our culture rather than the unity we have in the body of christ.".
"members of congress have been calling me saying 'it's never been as bad as it is now, but we can't do much about it because we're not credible to a lot of americans,'" said wallis, who leads the progressive group sojourners.
"they said to the faith community, 'please help us.'".
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(CNN) -- A group of more than 100 prominent Christians ranging from evangelical minister Jim Wallis on the political left to Nixon White House aide Chuck Colson on the right released a document Thursday calling for an end to the fight club tone of the national political discourse.
Called the "Civility Covenant," the document says that churches have too often "reflected the political divisions of our culture rather than the unity we have in the body of Christ."
"Members of Congress have been calling me saying 'It's never been as bad as it is now, but we can't do much about it because we're not credible to a lot of Americans,'" said Wallis, who leads the progressive group Sojourners. "They said to the faith community, 'please help us.'"
Wallis said the covenant is the result of those conversations. It has 114 signatories from a broad swath of Christian traditions, including the president of the National Association of Evangelicals, the head of the National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference and the general superintendent of the Assemblies of God, a major Pentecostal denomination.
The list also includes plenty of strange political bedfellows, from conservative Christian leaders like Harry Jackson -- who led the unsuccessful fight against gay marriage in Washington -- to Morna Murray, president of the progressive Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good, which is close to the Obama White House.
"Anytime you have a document with Wallis and Colson signing, you're talking about a pretty unusual situation and a pretty significant marker," said John Green, an expert on religion and politics at the University of Akron in Ohio. "It shows that there are some issues that transcend politics and ideology."
Quoting the New Testament, the new covenant urges Christians to "put away from you all bitterness and wrath and anger and wrangling and slander, together with all malice, and be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ has forgiven you."
"We owe a certain responsibility to each other as believers," said Colson, an influential evangelical Christian voice. "This doesn't mean I haven't challenged some people's theology. But the document says we're not going to challenge each other's motives or engage in ad hominem attacks."
Wallis, who led the effort to draft the document and collect signatures for it, noted that the document comes at a time when members of Congress are complaining of physical threats against them because of their positions on the health care bill, which President Obama signed into law Tuesday.
Wallis says he'll start collecting signatures from more pastors and rank-and-file churchgoers in coming weeks.
The pastor publicly feuded with conservative television host Glenn Beck this month after Beck encouraged his fans to leave churches that preach economic and social justice. Wallis organized a boycott of Beck's show but says the timing of the covenant's release is incidental.
Colson said the document "wouldn't apply to Glenn Beck because we're talking about the conversation in the family of believers ... Glenn Beck is a Mormon."
Many Christians don't consider Mormons -- members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints -- to be Christians, though Mormons consider themselves Christian.
The covenant is the latest in a series of faith-based efforts to soften the public discourse. Prominent evangelical PR executive Mark DeMoss, a conservative, and former Bill Clinton aide Lanny Davis launched the Civility Project last year.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/03/26/christian.civility.covenant/index.html