i didn't attend any meetings in the month of august.
i worked too many hours and i just don't care any longer.
just the thought of driving 45 minutes,greeting brothers and sisters who don't really care about each other,singing the dreadful songs,listening to the boring talk(which are repeats of a repeat),going over the slanted watchtower study and then driving another 45 minutes home.. how did you feel when you knew that it was becoming unbearable to attend another meeting?.
OH YES! I just wanted to jump up and shout and hit people for being so brainwashed and blinded, but now, almost two years on I feel less angry about it all. I went into the KH a couple of months ago for my sons first talk (dont ask, his father still attends) and I found then that I felt much more at peace with it all, more sorry for everyone than angry, and as I got up to leave in the middle I knew how jealous they all were..lol.
Poppy
i have this concern about fading.
my fade is calculated and very successful as far as .
avoiding a judicial committee for apostacy.
I have always enjoyed your posts, and especially this one, it typifies what so many of us 'faders' have gone through and will go through.
Like you I feel I have almost completed a succesful fade, and although I still 'have' my family in the sense they still speak to me, they are very distant from me and sometimes I wonder why I bothered. As a small example, I have just started thinking about Christmas again and reality is I'm never going to be able to put up lights openly. And that's just a small point.
BUT, I still feel it was the right thing for me, contact with my family is important to me, and I dont give up hope that someone will join me one day, and me being available to talk to will make that easier.
Poppy
man escapes jail for sex attacksbbc news - 1 hour, 42 minutes agoa jehovah's witnesss gets a community sentence for a series of sex assaults on children and adults.man escapes jail for sex attacks porter was put on the sex offenders registera jehovah's witness has escaped a jail term after admitting a series of sexual assaults on children and adults in clevedon.
michael porter, an elder in the religion, pleaded guilty to 24 counts of indecent assault and gross indecency on 13 victims aged 18 months and older.
among the individuals were others involved in the faith.
e-mailed my mum this story about Mr Porter, and do you know what her response was???"Jehovah will judge him in his own time
Katie, I had virtually this conversation word for word with mine.
She blindly said the news must be wrong if he hadn't been disfellowshipped, and also spouted straight away that if the brothers had known then they are told to contact the 'Legal Desk' straight away. I just looked at her and said that was cold comfort for the abused that some stuffed shirts in bethel had his name on a register.
And also used the line that has been used here, that they pounce on witnesses, they wouldn't have mentioned it if he had been a methodist or whatever.
Blind leading the blind.
Poppy
so i am not going to meetings, but am a fader.
the wife and i get invited to a wedding.
by friends from years back.
I see this too, looking around the congs before I left to people of my own age (30s, 40s) I see that few pioneer, most have now got good jobs and mortgages, many are very irregular at meetings and even my own mother said to my son the other day about the importance of education if he wanted a good job!!! With me it was always education was irrelevant because Armageddon would come before I left school!
I think the next generation (ie their children) will be raised without regular family brainwashing (Oops, I mean studies) and with more worldly influences, lets hope it just keeps getting weaker.
Poppy
long before we 'figured it out', i think we were tiring of the whole routine and demands, though we could not admit such openly, even to each other for the most part.
but i recall occasionally 'oversleeping', and in some cases i had woke early enough but just intentionally let time go by and got up 'running late'.
our family 'tradition' was to stop for breakfast at a local restuarant on the way to the kh.
We regularly did this one, always more 'tired' on meeting nights than others!
Now when I remember back that all day on a Tuesday and Thursday were spoiled because I knew that finishing work was just a precursor to the meetings.
I love my life now, and occasionally I get a great reminder, like this morning on my way to breakfast with friends on a gorgeous summer day and spotting the witlesses out in shirts and ties. Wasted years, but they make me appreciate what I have now.
Poppy
so sis in law father has been on dialysis for yrs and is elderly and hubby just got a text from his bro 'just so you don't put your foot in it ******'s father is stopping dialysis this wk and has 2 wks to live' (hes a jw too).
so i said to hubby he should reply and mention how sorry we are but he said why as they're treating me(dobs) like dirt and he doesn't see why he should.
but although they have cut me out now totally it seems i still think i should do something.
i think in these instances we have to be the grown ups! And also remember that although our families may shun us, it is not a sign they do not love us, it is brainwashing, and in years to come who knows but they will be here with us ...Won without a word...lol!
Horrible situation, I feel for you, but think sending a card is the appropriate thing to do, if they dont acknowledge it, it's their loss.
Poppy
man escapes jail for sex attacksbbc news - 1 hour, 42 minutes agoa jehovah's witnesss gets a community sentence for a series of sex assaults on children and adults.man escapes jail for sex attacks porter was put on the sex offenders registera jehovah's witness has escaped a jail term after admitting a series of sexual assaults on children and adults in clevedon.
michael porter, an elder in the religion, pleaded guilty to 24 counts of indecent assault and gross indecency on 13 victims aged 18 months and older.
among the individuals were others involved in the faith.
Please note the offences were committed in Somerset over a 14 year period ending in 2000.
He now lives in NORTH LONDON, and attends the Mill Hill Cong.
So the posting of the somerset cong address probably will not help as it is probably his local elders who will have dealt.
Poppy
man escapes jail for sex attacksbbc news - 1 hour, 42 minutes agoa jehovah's witnesss gets a community sentence for a series of sex assaults on children and adults.man escapes jail for sex attacks porter was put on the sex offenders registera jehovah's witness has escaped a jail term after admitting a series of sexual assaults on children and adults in clevedon.
michael porter, an elder in the religion, pleaded guilty to 24 counts of indecent assault and gross indecency on 13 victims aged 18 months and older.
among the individuals were others involved in the faith.
The times story said he was a MS in the mill Hill congregation, whats the betting he's a bethel boy?
And it also mentions the reason he has escaped jail is because so few were prepared to testify against him, what's the betting if they did it would be THEM who were shunned and disfellowshipped.
And can we have an elders comment? Last I heard a repeated offender could not be repentant! If you go back and do it again it proves you weren't sorry.
Poppy (fuming and have posted a comment on the times paper)
i was laying in bed and trying to drift off to sleep.
all of a sudden i had a vision of my father building our dining room table.
we moved when i was four and this was at our old house so i must have been pretty young.
Definitely something in the air, I've read many posts over the past few days about this sort of pain.
It's cruel, and even though we understand it, I think like an abused child, we somehow blame ourselves, because we know it makes them unhappy also.
Hang in there Unique1 its not personal, they do love you, it's brainwashing at it's most extreme, and you must get on with your life and find people who genuinely care.
Poppy
this may be covered some where in the archives here, but came across this today on the internet.. 90 year old anna bedford owner of one of the great camps of the adirondacks (preserve at green bay, 135 acres) dies and somehow the society becomes the owner.
they sell for 2.250 million dollars in june of l988.. see the bottom of page 2. .
link: http://nysdta.org/determinations/813952.det.pdf.
In my local area they have been saving (that is draining the rank and file dry) for the past 10 years for a new Kingdom Hall, even though they have downsized 4 congs into 3 cos of lack of growth.
Recently an old lady died, alone and with nobody and left them 200 thousand UK pounds (I think around 400,000 US) And my mum pipes up what a blessing, now they can build a hall
This hall, nobody needs, and how many people could benefit from that money.
Sickening
Poppy
