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  GB Split Over Bible vs. Policy

  by Maximus in

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  please read the following brief paragraph carefully: .

  "once again, the ruling ecclesiastical class suppressed efforts to make gods word available to their flock.

  they violently silenced a voice that pointed to some of the errors of their non-biblical beliefs.

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  Farkel asked:

  So, how many possible reasons could there be for this kind of stuff to "slip" into the rags?

  1) The liberal faction in Writing wants to subtly convey WT hypocrisy to those R&F who can think.

  Why go through all of this trouble to try and reach 2% of your reading audience? I mean really, the percentage of JW who can think (ie: catch and apply the subtleties being conveyed) is near zip. In my experience, we’re talking one or two pubs per congregation, tops.

  2) Too many Bethelites are interested in getting this "issue" out and probably like most dubs, they never read the crap that is in it, anyway. It just "slips" by, in that case. Aware dubs will get the message. Braindead dubs will remain braindead and call it "spiritually deep" or "refreshing" without having a clue about what it really says.

  Aware dubs will get the message and then what? Become even more frustrated? There is no direction implied or contained in the “message.” So what would be the point?

  3) The WT writers are fully aware of their own hypocrisy, but are so used to getting away with it for a dozen decades that they shamelessly try it again.

  Now here’s a possibility! They’ve just got a warped sense of humor, and they want to push the envelope of idiocy to see just how much the flock will swallow? This sounds barely plausible, in a sick sort of way.
  
  

  Are there other possibilities I haven't considered? I'm sure their are. Let's hear them!

  Fark, maybe it’s just this simple: occasionally a few honest folks (in a position to do something about it) get a twinge of conscience and they express some real feelings.

  Or, certain members of the writing committee get so BORED doing cut and paste re-writes that they break the mind numbing monotony by slipping in something original once in a while.

  In any case, if the articles weren’t all anonymous, at least there’d be some accountability to the readers. I’ve always hatred the way they hide behind the absence of a by line. I think if they signed off on the stuff, we’d all begin to see a certain pattern emerge. Get my point?
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  GB Split Over Bible vs. Policy

  by Maximus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  please read the following brief paragraph carefully: .

  "once again, the ruling ecclesiastical class suppressed efforts to make gods word available to their flock.

  they violently silenced a voice that pointed to some of the errors of their non-biblical beliefs.

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  Copernicus

  the political environment at WBTS is as pure a struggle of good vs. evil as the world has ever seen.

  From what I’ve been hearing of late, you may be more right then you know, Lisa.

  A point I wanted to make about the magazines: In my last few years as an active dub, I started to notice the wild, pendulum like swings in the editorial content of the mags. There were so many contradictions from one article to the next, and I often saw opposing statements within a few paragraphs of each other in the same article. My wife and I had began to wonder if the authors of the various multipart study articles even bothered to consult with each other on their material. No continuity whatsoever. Bizarre.

  Now it seems as if the struggle going on behind the scenes is what accounts for it. They aren’t talking to the proles through these articles, as much as the different factions are talking to each other! It certainly would explain the nature of the argumentation used over the past few years.

  What do you think?

  Jerome said:

  They're hoping that a miraculous appearance of blood substitutes will bale them out in a few years.

  I think you’re absolutely right. Everything we see now is just stalling and posturing, while they hope they can avoid having to publicly abandon the long standing blood policy (and all that entails) before the blood substitutes appear. The availability of these will make the whole issue a moot point, and will be a big win-win for the Tower; as the problem will just go away. It’s a lawyer’s dream. The fast track approval of Hemo-pure proves they’re just chomping at the bit to get these items on the approved list.

  You’re (the WTS) telling me I can’t store my own blood for personal use, but the collection, processing, and storing of cow’s blood is OK? I think that the collective tin foil hat must have slipped a bit in Brooklyn when they floated this one.

  Great post Jerome. I always enjoy your thoughts.
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  GB Split Over Bible vs. Policy

  by Maximus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  please read the following brief paragraph carefully: .

  "once again, the ruling ecclesiastical class suppressed efforts to make gods word available to their flock.

  they violently silenced a voice that pointed to some of the errors of their non-biblical beliefs.

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  Maximus:

  I’ve been following this thread with some interest. It now seems to me that your point here was to get us to think in terms of what political maneuverings may be going on behind the scenes at Bethel, such as might be evident in the article you’ve brought to our attention.

  Because of their exclusive nature, most of us aren’t privy to these sorts of insider subtleties, and they tend to border on the esoteric.

  If there is some sort of point here that’s being missed, would you please be more direct about it.

  Jerome particularly, and Farkel had some very interesting things to say that bear comment on, however the need for sleep prevents me from exploring them at this time.

  Tomorrow is another day.
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  Flat earth myths of Alan F

  by Rex B13 in

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  man, even pagan man, has always known that the earth was a sphere!

  the hebrews knew it first, because god told them six times in the old testament that the earth was a sphere.

  that was sufficient for believers!

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  Copernicus

  Do you have any idea what I am talking about?

  Does anyone, anywhere, have any idea of what you’re rambling on about?

  Chew on that for awhile.

  Evan-chew-a-troll?
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  GB Split Over Bible vs. Policy

  by Maximus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  please read the following brief paragraph carefully: .

  "once again, the ruling ecclesiastical class suppressed efforts to make gods word available to their flock.

  they violently silenced a voice that pointed to some of the errors of their non-biblical beliefs.

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  Copernicus

  Thanks so much for that juvenile insight Rex.

  What I'll keep in mind is that you're a troll.

  Evangel-a-troll.
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  Freedom of Thought and JW Opposers

  by dunsscot in

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  does freedom of thought really obtain in this forum?

  are those who have left god's organization and jehovah god himself actually now more open-minded and unbiased?

  if those who espouse atheistic thoughts or those who believe every vile utterance spoken against jehovah's people think they are now speaking from some olympian perspective, i beg to differ.

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  Dear Dan:

  I just now caught your post. For reasons of my own, I’d very much like to carry this on as a private conversation. If you’d be comfortable with that, will you forward an e-mail address (I promise you it will never be shared with anyone) to me at:

  [email protected]

  If I don’t see something in a day or two, I’ll answer in the normal fashion.

  We have more in common then you might think, my friend.

  Regards,
  Copernicus
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  Flat earth myths of Alan F

  by Rex B13 in

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  man, even pagan man, has always known that the earth was a sphere!

  the hebrews knew it first, because god told them six times in the old testament that the earth was a sphere.

  that was sufficient for believers!

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  Copernicus

  Rex is a troll.
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  GB Split Over Bible vs. Policy

  by Maximus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  please read the following brief paragraph carefully: .

  "once again, the ruling ecclesiastical class suppressed efforts to make gods word available to their flock.

  they violently silenced a voice that pointed to some of the errors of their non-biblical beliefs.

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  Victor:

  There is no question that the tower is in dissonance, much like a psychotic mother that speaks out of both ends of her mouth giving mixed messages.

  Interesting analogy. I had a real mother like that. . . maybe that’s why I was drawn to the Tower for a while in the first place.
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  Are These the Last Days?

  by individual in

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  does anyone who has left the organisation still feel that these are the last days?

  all down through history people have wanted to feel that they live in special times - are jws just an extension of this?

  for me the biggest problem with this theory of the last days has been the distinct lack of earthquakes since 1914, a quote from the book signs of the times revisited says "as more and more seismographs are installed in the world, more earthquakes can be and have been located.

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  Friday:

  I'm thinkin' 'bout changin’ what I call you from Capricious to Cuss. That be okay?. . . How about you, you got any preferences?

  My wife is from the deep south, where everybody calls each other cuz (slang for cousin). One of the little things that endeared me to her, I suppose. So how about Coperni-cuz?

  I’m glad you enjoyed my little witticism about the refrigerator, as I laughed like crazy while writing it. The fact that you’ve FINALLY displayed a sense of humor here presents quite a redeeming value in my eyes. Biblical inerrantists aren’t noted for the ability to laugh at themselves. EVER. Goes with the territory somehow, I guess. If you doubt me, just hang out with Rex13 for a while.

  And besides, the anointed never claimed parity with the prophets in the Bible.

  My God, you’re not really going to open that can of worms on this thread, are you?

  I meant what I said about the argument on your page being well presented, by the way. It had a logical ring to it. Unfortunately, as Individual noted (with much less verbosity then me), the Society has no interest in truth or it would be eager to at least entertain possibilities of this sort, and encourage their discussion among the faithful. Their failure to do so is a big part of why I’m no longer a dub.

  Did they ever get back to you on it?

  They are just as frozen and fossilized as the Catholic Church was in the middle centuries. It’s the same old theme over and over again with hierarchical religions. Stale baloney.
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  GB Split Over Bible vs. Policy

  by Maximus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  please read the following brief paragraph carefully: .

  "once again, the ruling ecclesiastical class suppressed efforts to make gods word available to their flock.

  they violently silenced a voice that pointed to some of the errors of their non-biblical beliefs.

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  Copernicus

  When I began studying with the Witness, I happened upon a very well done movie relating the life and times of Jan Hus, a man who suffered much the same fate, for the same reasons, as Cyril Lucaris. Sadly, Hus failed to realize (until it was too late) the nature of the beast confronting him; in the form of the council that sentenced him to death for heresy. From what I’ve read, Lucaris also failed to ascertain the true nature of those religious authorities that confronted him as well. Both men were deluded in that they believed that “truth” was of some real concern to the “ruling ecclesiastical class” of their time, and that the examination of biblical precedents would result in doctrinal and procedural modifications by the hierarchy.

  It seems obvious, in historical retrospect, that power and the maintenance of the prevailing status quo was the only interest of the religious authorities of those days. Committing murder in the “greater interest” of preserving the mother church was much preferred to acknowledging error and dealing with the consequences.

  Would things really be much different today? Is there a lesson that all can learn from the experiences of these men, and those like them?

  What really upsets me is the way the Society will arrogate, indirectly, the membership of others held in high moral esteem, such as Lucaris - men such as Hus, Wycliff, Luther, etc. They do this by conferring, posthumously, the title of "anointed" upon them and thereby creating a nonexistent link between themselves and others whose credibility they covet. What a game, hey?

  The degree of hypocrisy evident in the WT article you mentioned is mind boggling. How can they do it?