Posts by Inquisitor

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Disfellowshiped/Disassociated VS. Other non JWs

by pierogi in

if someone is disfellowshiped or disassociates themselves from the jws, they are to be considered "worldly", right?

if jws can talk to other non jws, why are non jws who used to be .

jws so much worse that they can't talk to them?

Inquisitor

If JWs can talk to other non JWs, why are non JWs who used to be JWs so much worse that they can't talk to them? -pierogi

A deserter/excommunicated member has the understated potential of pulling active Witnesses out of their religiously deluded state. Imagine if the ex JW could spill the beans on why they left: strongly biased judicial committee, logically sound doubts about JW theology and JW's non-Scriptural, patriachal rules, sex scandals of JWs in high places, etc.

The Org cannot risk losing both the member who earned their wrath and his/her family. Witness numbers depend a good deal on family membership.

INQ

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Book study week of 02-12 - Revelation 1:10-17

by Inquisitor in

hiya all!.

i would love to hear from you guys how mainstream christians and textual critics/scholars interpret the following features of revelation 1:10-17. i) the lord's day.

ii) the seven congregations - did these really exist?

Inquisitor

Hiya all!

I would love to hear from you guys how mainstream Christians and textual critics/scholars interpret the following features of Revelation 1:10-17

i) The Lord's Day

ii) The seven congregations - did these really exist? Did they "resemble a section of a modern-day circuit of Jehovah's Witnesses"? Even if that were true, shouldn't the old geezers have written that the circuit of JWs resemble those 7 ancient congs, not the other way around? There's a hint of self-importance there.

iii) Who was the "son of man" with seven stars in his hand and a sword in his mouth?

INQ

p.s. if this topic has been previously covered, pls link me up. Thanks.

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Book study week of 02-12 - Revelation 1:10-17

by Inquisitor in

hiya all!.

i would love to hear from you guys how mainstream christians and textual critics/scholars interpret the following features of revelation 1:10-17. i) the lord's day.

ii) the seven congregations - did these really exist?

Inquisitor

Hiya all!

I would love to hear from you guys how mainstream Christians and textual critics/scholars interpret the following features of Revelation 1:10-17

i) The Lord's Day

ii) The seven congregations - did these really exist? Did they "resemble a section of a modern-day circuit of Jehovah's Witnesses"? Even if that were true, shouldn't the old geezers have written that the circuit of JWs resemble those 7 ancient congs, not the other way around? There's a hint of self-importance there.

iii) Who was the "son of man" with seven stars in his hand and a sword in his mouth?

INQ

p.s. if this topic has been previously covered, pls link me up. Thanks.

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2008 Changes to the Watchtowers

by Inquisitor in

i don't know if someone else has already posted about this.

i tried looking a page or two back in this section, but didn't find any thread on this news.

if someone has, pls add the link in this thread.. no, the watchtowers aren't gonna be monthly like the awake, but apparently the w mags will be designed in this way:.

Inquisitor

So, this goes into effect in 2008? What's the source on this? Is it word of mouth at this point or has a letter been sent out? - cabasilas

To those of you who are still wondering how trustworthy is this news,

attend your service meeting this week and you will hear the Bethel letter read out to the congregation. I assure you that it's no mere rumour. The waters of Babel-Tower are drying up! hehehehe INQ

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2008 Changes to the Watchtowers

by Inquisitor in

i don't know if someone else has already posted about this.

i tried looking a page or two back in this section, but didn't find any thread on this news.

if someone has, pls add the link in this thread.. no, the watchtowers aren't gonna be monthly like the awake, but apparently the w mags will be designed in this way:.

Inquisitor

Thanks for adding the link, Bumble Bee.

I was rather surprised by the instruction that the watchtower with the study articles SHOULD NOT BE PLACED with the public. Is this the first time they've tried restricting public access to the Watchtower? Cos I've always thought that they were meant for the public, just not for inactive, trouble-making, "spiritually weak", JWs.

INQ

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2008 Changes to the Watchtowers

by Inquisitor in

i don't know if someone else has already posted about this.

i tried looking a page or two back in this section, but didn't find any thread on this news.

if someone has, pls add the link in this thread.. no, the watchtowers aren't gonna be monthly like the awake, but apparently the w mags will be designed in this way:.

Inquisitor

I don't know if someone else has already posted about this. I tried looking a page or two back in this section, but didn't find any thread on this news. If someone has, pls add the link in this thread.

No, the Watchtowers aren't gonna be monthly like the Awake, but apparently the W mags will be designed in this way:

1st of month issue - for the public, no study articles, (kinda like Awake??)

2nd of month issue - regular watchtower with study articles

I don't know if these changes are only in my part of the world. Happy to hear from others.

INQ

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LATIN ... What does this mean?

by RAF in

jw
friends

i don't know what it means .

the lyrics.

dori me.

Inquisitor

If I recall correctly, the last time I looked up the meaning of those lyrics, I read that they weren't "pure" Latin....

But here's an unverifiable translation of the lyrics:

Take me to the inside absorb take me
Disclose disclose hidding hidding oneself take me
Disclose unperceived signs disclose
Tell me tell me war like spirit martyr disclose

Emulate unperceived signs disclose
Emulate unperceived signs disclose

Disclose disclose the silence disclose take me disclose take me
Disclose soldier take me away disclose take me disclose take me take me now

Source: http://no-words.com/2004/05/ameno_22.html

INQ

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THE WAGES SIN PAYS

by Dansk in

the bible tells us that the wages sin pays is death.

therefore, when we die our debt is paid.. however, in the bible there are a number of cases where people got resurrected.

as their debt was paid, this means they couldn't die again.. ah, but some might say that these ones merely went on to live the average length of time and then died again.

Inquisitor

I believe it is speaking of spiritual death, not physical death - the same with God's warning to Adam and Eve - hence they didn't physically die on the day they ate of the tree. When you think about it, this also makes sense of why animals physically die even though they didn't sin.

Giving dying arguments the breath of life by interpreting words on a spiritual plane is notoriously employed by fundamentalist Christians.

Lemme give you an example: "Christ returns in 1914 so the End of Days is due then", but nothing happened to the faithful in 1914! so "Christ's return was invisible aka spiritual; End of Days postponed until further notice".

Handy abracadabra, isn't it?

I'm not contending that this scripture necessarily means a clean-slate start after death/resurrection. I merely find it very puzzling why we can't let the Bible speak for itself? If it doesn't say death of the spirit and nothing in the context indicates it should, then there is no reason to make that assumption.

Also, if we DO go along with the spiritual death interpretation it still doesn't explain the reason animals die. It matters not if animal death is physical or spiritual. The question is why, not how. Why do animals die at all, even if they are dying in a spiritual sense, whatever that means?

INQ

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Just had a visit by r&f - kept it to this one issue -Pedophilia

by wozadummy in

we had a newly married couple visit door to door ,new to the area and did'nt know us ,so i thought i would use the same wts tactic of trying to keep the converstion from straying .. the topic i chose was pedophilia in the wts and how the mishandling of that issue by them was the reason we left and why my wife is da'd.. i commended them for trying to be christian in their youth but then began my points on the different ways the society handles pedophilia and the different ways that people are damaged within by their cruel perpetrators and then the way the society rejects these broken people.. first response "well it's a problem but how many of these so-called victims are lying when actually nothing happened?!!!".

my response " do have hard evidence to back up what you are suggesting?

did you know it is actually rare that this happens according to experts medical testimony?".

Inquisitor

Hi wozadummy,

I've sent you a private message.

INQ

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"I am The Decision-Maker"

by Country Girl in

this is a direct quote from president george bush.

i guess he forgets who he's working for, and who pays his salary.

in the following article it can be seen how president bush feels he is the supreme decision maker and the one vote for the way the country is run.

Inquisitor

Would this perhaps be more suited for the Politics section?

INQ