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Did you ever fake field service?

by LyinEyes in

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i know this was very wrong to do , but who out there stretched their field service time by any means possible?

example, letter writing, driving by the same house , when you knew no one was home.

let's be honest here, confess and get it off your chest.... lol

cornish

I think practically everyone did,the need to count time was to get good brownie points is extremely important,even though most Witnesses will claim the main goal is to preach the good news and save lives with urgency as the time left is reduced,most witnesses will spin out time the best they can by walking around like snails,knocking on one door then going to the other end of the territory,yapping in groups on street corners etc,I knew one pioneer who would spend a lot of his time in cafes in town,counting the time,he looked down on all those who were young and single and not pioneers,yet he fiddled his report anyway,and now is a fine standing self rightous elder,what a pillock!

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GOSSIP In the Kingdom Hall

by Sunflower1982 in

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the overwhelming amount of gossip that circulated through my kingdom hall was a major factor in my decision to stop attending meetings.

every meeting, every day of field service, and every gathering was plagued with vicious rumors that people told to keep themselves entertained.

surprisingly, the pioneers and elder's wives were the worst of everyone.

cornish

Because witnesses generally feel that they are not quite and don't quite measure up to the watchtower superficial measuring rod, I think it makes them feel better if they slag someone else off so that least they can feel comfortable that someone else is worse than them.
Also I think that many Jehovah's witnesses are just plain bored deep down in side because decisions are made for them and they are trapped in a monotonous routine, they cant joined sports clubs or get heavily involved in hobbies etc,they keep hearing the same old recycled trash at the meetings so a bit of gossip is one of the highlights of their life.

it was a dreadful shame when witnesses would pour out their hearts in meetings with Elders and the elders could not keep confidential information heard at judicial Committee meetings to themselves, poor trusting followers having their trust betrayed.

I can remember so often my father almost as soon as he had heard something at a judicial meeting or whatever couldn't wait to ring up my brother and gossip about it with a tone of real excitement in his voice, yes I heard it all and it was all supposed to be completely confidential. One elder spoke about a certain sister by name in tears at judicial Committee meeting, little did she know about her emotional ordeal becoming the subject of the town. I can remember so often that if I went somewhere for tea or anything the evening would practically always end up with individuals being slagged off.

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Sisters & The School Reunion Site Loophole.

by Englishman in

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should jws get involved with school reunion web-sites?

would the society approve?.

would a mature brother seek out bad associations via such sites?.

cornish

Very true,I checked out the names of several Wito femmes I once knew with friends reunited and there they were,but fellers,Nope!

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Who believes in a firey hell?

by rekless in

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is hell the grave.

is it dante' pit.. or is it.

hell is truth seen too late.

cornish

Is it just a coincidence that the biblical references to torment after death occur mostly in the writings of the Greek hellenistic era,could some greek influence have crept into the late OT and New Testament writings? To use languege like ,'there is where the weeping and gnashing of teeth,'and,'their torment will go on day and night forever and ever' to mean in a figurative way ,eternal unconsciece annailation,seems a little strange,so it seems like the torment idea could well be what he writers meant,but I think it is possibly just popular tradition of the time.

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Animal Migration from Noahs Ark?

by cornish in

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what do you think of the item below i was e-mailed?.

how did various animals get from the ark to isolated places such as.

australia?.

cornish

gravedancer
Unfortunately I dont know the source of the info,I can try to find out though,as I said it was e mailed from a friend who is definately not a creationist or fundie but was sent to him by another friend who is one and probrably trying to convince him,we both left the JWs about the same time and one of the first doubts we both had about the issue of a literal flood was the fact that somehow practically all of the marsupial breeds that left the ark in Turkey ended up in Australia barring one or two breeds that live in South America,which would more support the continental drift than the flood account to me,and seems to suggest that they were related in their ancestorship.

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another newbie

by desertflower in

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guess i've been lurking long enough.

been about 2 yrs or longer.. take a lot of nerve for the first post.my husband and i both left.

together although he knew long before i did.

cornish

Very nice to hear a bit about you and welcome,welcome,welcome.

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Animal Migration from Noahs Ark?

by cornish in

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friends

what do you think of the item below i was e-mailed?.

how did various animals get from the ark to isolated places such as.

australia?.

cornish

What do you think of the item below I was e-mailed?

How did Various Animals get from the Ark to Isolated Places such as
Australia?

There is no doubt that the whole issue of post-Flood animal migration
patterns presents some tough problems and research challenges to the
Biblical creation model. There are severe practical limitations on our
attempts to understand the hows and whys of something which happened
once,
was not recorded in detail, and cannot be repeated.

Let's begin by reaffirming that God's Word does indeed reveal, in the
plainest possible terms, that the whole globe was inundated with a
violent,
watery cataclysm. The only survivors were the inhabitants of the Ark,
which
included at least one breeding pair of every kind of land-dwelling,
air-breathing creature.

Any difficulties in our ability to explain every single situation in
detail
must therefore be a reflection of our limited understanding. When
Krakatoa
erupted in 1883, the island remnant remained lifeless for some years,
but
was eventually colonized by a surprising variety of creatures,
including not
only insects and earthworms, but birds, lizards, snakes and even a few
mammals. (See figure 119) One would not have expected some of this
surprising array of creatures to have been able to cross the ocean as
they
obviously did. Even though these were in the main smaller than some of
the
creatures we will discuss here, it usefully illustrates the limits of
our a
priori imaginings on such things.

For the most part, the animals of Noah's day were faced with far fewer
such
apparently insuperable difficulties. The Ararat region is more or less
the
mathematical centre of the earth's land-masses. {1}

Evolutionary anthropologists themselves have no difficulty in
acknowledging
that men and animals were once freely able to cross the Bering Strait,
which
separates Asia and the Americas. In fact, before the idea of
continental
drift became popular, evolutionists taught and believed that a lowering
of
the sea level during an ice age (with more water locked up at the
poles)
would mean that there were land bridges enabling dry-land passage from
Europe most of the way to Australasia, for example. (See figure 118)

The existence of some deep-water stretches along this route is
consistent
with this explanation; evolutionist geologists themselves believe there
have
been major tectonic upheavals, accompanied by substantial rising and
falling
of sea-floors, in the time-period which they themselves associate with
an
ice age. For instance, parts of California are believed to have been
raised
many thousands of feet from what was the sea-floor during this ice age
period, {2} which they term Pleistocene (one of the most recent of the
supposed geological time periods). In the same way, other dry-land
areas,
including parts of these land bridges, fell to become submerged at
around
the same time. Most Pleistocene sediments are regarded by creationist
geologists as post-Flood, the period in which these major migrations
would
have taken place.

There is a widespread, but mistaken, belief that marsupials are found
only
in Australia, thus supporting the idea that they must have evolved
here.
Live marsupials are found also in America, for instance, and fossil
marsupials even in Europe. The recent discovery of a fossil platypus
tooth
in South America stunned the scientific community. {3} Therefore, in
evolutionary terms, since they are all believed to have come from a
common
ancestor, migration between Australia and other areas must have been
possible.

Creationists generally believe there was one great Ice Age after, and
as a
consequence of, the Flood. {4} This made it possible for animals to
migrate
over land-bridges for centuries. Those creationists who do accept some
form
of continental break-up after the Flood {5} often believe this to have
been
in the days of Peleg. This again would mean several centuries for
animals to
disperse, in this instance without the necessity of land-bridges.

How did animals make the long journey? Even though there have been
isolated
reports of individual animals making startling journeys of thousands of
miles, such abilities are not even necessary. A very small number of
rabbits
were released in Australia by early settlers. Wild rabbits are now
found at
the very opposite corner (in fact, every corner) of this vast
continent.
Does that mean that an individual rabbit had to be capable of crossing
the
whole of Australia? Of course not. Creation speakers are often asked
mockingly, "Did the kangaroo hop all the way to Australia?" We see by
the
rabbit example that this is a somewhat foolish question. However, let
us
answer it, anyway.

Did the Kangaroo Hop all the Way to Australia?

Populations of animals may have had centuries to migrate, relatively
slowly,
over many generations.

Incidentally, the opposite question (also common), as to whether the
two
kangaroos hopped all the way from Australia to the Ark, is also easily
answered. The continents we now have, with their load of
Flood-deposited
sedimentary rock, are not the same as whatever continents there may
have
been in the pre-Flood world. We also have no information as to how
animals
were distributed. Kangaroos (as is true for any other creature) may not
have
been on any isolated land-mass. (See figure 120)

In fact, #Ge 1:9 suggests that there may have been only one land-mass.
("Let
the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and
let
the dry land appear".) For all we know, kangaroos might have been
feeding
within a stone's throw of Noah while he was building the Ark.

It may be asked, if creatures were migrating to Australia over a long
time
(which journey would have included such places as Indonesia,
presumably) why
do we not find their fossils en route in such countries? Fossilization
is a
rare event, requiring, as a rule, sudden burial to prevent
decomposition.
Lions lived in Palestine until relatively recent times. Not
surprisingly, we
do not find lion fossils in Palestine, yet this doesn't prevent us
believing
the many historical reports of their presence. The millions of bison
that
once roamed the United States of America have left virtually no
fossils. So
why should it be a surprise that small populations, presumably under
migration pressure from competitors and/or predators, and thus living
in
only one area for a few generations at most, should leave no fossils?
Another issue is the question of why certain animals (and plants) are
uniquely found in only one place. Why is species x found only in
Madagascar?
And species y only in the Seychelles? Many times, questions on this are
phrased to indicate that the questioner believes that this means that
species y headed only in that one direction, and never migrated
anywhere
else. But this is not so, of course. All that the present situation
indicates is that these are now the only places where x or y still
survive.

The ancestors of present-day kangaroos may have established daughter
populations in different parts of the world, which subsequently became
extinct. Perhaps only those marsupials that reached Australia ahead of
the
placental mammals (we are not suggesting anything other than random
processes in choice of destination), to be subsequently isolated from
most
of the latter, have been able to survive and prosper.

Palm Valley in Central Australia is host to a unique species of palms,
Livingstonia mariae, found nowhere else in the world (Figure 1) (See
figure
121). Does this necessarily mean that the seeds for this species
floated
only to this one little spot? Not at all. Current models of post-Flood
climate indicate that the world is much drier now than it was in the
early
post-Flood centuries. Evolutionists themselves agree that in recent
times
(by evolutionary standards), the Sahara was lush and green, and Central
Australia had a moist, tropical climate. For all we know, the
Livingstonia
mariae palm may have been widespread over much of Australia, and
perhaps
even in other places which are now dry, such as parts of Africa.

The palm has survived in Palm Valley because there it happens to be
protected from the drying out which affected the rest of its vast
Centralian
surrounds. Everywhere else, it happened to die out.

Incidentally, this concept of changing vegetation with changing climate
should be kept in mind when considering post-Flood animal migration.
Especially because of the objections (and caricatures) which may be
presented. For instance, how could creatures that today need a
rainforest
environment, trudge across millions of acres of parched desert on the
way to
where they now live? The answer is that the desert simply wasn't
desert!

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The Ransom paid

by cornish in

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does the jw theory on the ransom balance.

the jw theory ransom issue is likened to a hostage situation where a ransom price is paid in order for the captive to be released,when adam lost perfection and brought misery and turmoil for mankind ,the price was to high for anyone to pay except perfect jesus,he brought back mankind,or more specifically those who believe in him.. ok,so the ransom is paid,it was paid nearly 2000 years ago so why is none of mankind seeing any physical benefits now,the jws see this as buying back earthly perfection,and not as a benefit to be seen on after giving up adams flesh upon death,so if something is paid for why does mankind including those who believe keep suffering as though it has not been,why does it have to wait for some future date,why is suffering prolonged when the scales are already level?.

are hostages still held captive even though the price has been paid?

cornish

Does the JW theory on the ransom balance
The JW theory ransom issue is likened to a hostage situation where a ransom price is paid in order for the captive to be released,when Adam lost perfection and brought misery and turmoil for mankind ,the price was to high for anyone to pay except perfect Jesus,he brought back mankind,or more specifically those who believe in him.
OK,so the ransom is paid,it was paid nearly 2000 years ago so why is none of mankind seeing any physical benefits now,the JWs see this as buying back earthly perfection,and not as a benefit to be seen on after giving up Adams flesh upon death,so if something is paid for why does mankind including those who believe keep suffering as though it has not been,why does it have to wait for some future date,why is suffering prolonged when the scales are already level?
Are hostages still held captive even though the price has been paid?

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