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  Trapping a Wittness in blood doctrine...

  by Burger Time in

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  maybe this has been posted before, i searched but didn't find anything.

  if the society claims "life" represents blood, could not john 12:12,13 be applied to a blood transfusion?

  stay with me here.

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  Actually it doesn't sound goofy at all. It's a great understanding of the blood principle. I have always told Witnesses that one could show no greater respect for blood than to give one's blood to save another's life. We are following Christ's example in fact by saving a life with one's blood!
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  JW Science Quote Of The Day 8-29

  by TD in

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  wells 1898 novel, war of the worlds depicted the earth under attack by a race that had evolved past the need of eating to obtain nourishment.

  these beings, in fact, had no digestive organs of any sort:.

  "entrails they had none.

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  Amen Shepherding Book! TD rocks!
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  UNDENIABLE LOGIC. Some cherish it while others dismiss it. Which are you?

  by nicolaou in

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  2. beliefs

  there are so many ways to get into this topic; homeopathy, astrology, feng shui, alien abductions, seances and so on ad nauseum but let's pick a simple one - mathematics.

  do you accept the undeniable logic that 1+1 must always equal 2?.

  i cannot conceive of a situation where 1+1=3 but there was a time when i did!

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  First let me recommend that you all read the book, Logic and Contemporary Rhetoric by Kahane. This book was the first book that started me on my journey away from the borg. Kahane has written many books on logic and philosophy. If you take a college course in philosophy or studies in logic chances are good you will have to buy one of his books for the course.
  
  Deductive reasoning is an example of logic. Logic may or may not be able to prove a premise is true. But, IF AND ONLY IF THE PREMISES ARE TRUE IS THE LOGICAL CONCLUSION TRUE as well.
  
  In this case:
  All women are men.
  Lee is a woman.
  Therefore Lee is a man.
  IF THE PREMISE THAT ALL WOMEN ARE MEN IS TRUE AND THE PREMISE THAT LEE IS A WOMAN IS ALSO TRUE THEN IT MUST BE TRUE THAT LEE IS A WOMAN. There is no debate about it. It is an absolutely true conclusion in the absolute sense of truth. It is literally PROVEN true by the equation above.
  
  BUT, and this is a big but... Is it true that all women are men? No. And logic does not help us to prove or disprove that statement. That statement does not exist in the realm of logic, or better said, you wouldn't ask a logician(?sp) if it is true that all men are women, you would ask a medical doctor most likely. Science might tell us if it is true, but logic, no. Again you would have to ask a doctor or another scientist to prove the statement wrong or right. Logic is only helpful to reach the conclusions based on putting two complementary premises together in a sort of mathematical sentence and adding or subtracting the statements bringing us to a sum or difference, in any case a conclusion. A logical sentence is only as reliable as the truth of the premises. If any of the premises are wrong in any way at all, you have to throw the whole logical conclusion out the door.
  
  If you are wondering about the truth of the premises and how we came to know that they are true THEN YOU WANT TO HAVE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CONVERSATION THAT HAS REALLY NOTHING TO DO WITH LOGIC AT ALL. So in this thread you are officially OFF TOPIC if you are worried about how all men can be women. If you want to know that or how we came to know that P or X is blue you must investigate the question WITHIN THE FIELD OF STUDY THAT APPLIES TO THE FINDING OF THE ANSWER. I'm not saying you won't use logic along the way in your investigation, but to find the sex of a person just isn't the business of the philosopher or logician.
  
  So, again, to sum up, a logical conclusion is only as true as the premises that feed into it. If one of the premises is false in any way, then the whole line of reasoning must be false. That is why it can be said that something is logical, yet untrue. The statement above that Lee is a man is absolutely logical if the premises are true, regardless of what process you used to establish their truth. What makes it NOT true is the fact that one or both of the premises are untrue. Other than that small detail, it is a sound deductive statement within itself. But if the premises were TRUE and you said "Lee is a woman" at the end instead of a man, then you would be absolutely wrong, and provably so. It would be illogical to say that Lee is a woman and Logical to say Lee is a man IF THE PREMISES ABOVE ARE TRUE.
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  Sinning against the Holy Spirit - Unforgivable? How does one commit it?

  by Shawn10538 in

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  i seem to remember a doctrine that says that the only sin that is unforgivable is a sin against the holy spirit.

  is apostasy a sin against the holy spirit?

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  Practically speaking, even after reading all those articles (thank you so much by the way, you guys are awesome!!) I still don't have a clear picture of what a sin against the holy spirit looks like TODAY. The way I read it, every single person who gets baptized as a Witness and who later rejects the faith, attributing it perhaps to Satan, as I would do if I believed in Satan, is sinning against the holy spirit. So it shoud be impossible for such a person to get reinstated. This is a scary situation. Does the Society have a list pf people they beieve to have sinned against the holy spirit, and therefore deny them getting reinstated without telling them? In such a case a person might be attending meetings indefinitely with no hope of getting reinstated! Love to hear more comments on this one.
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  Sinning against the Holy Spirit - Unforgivable? How does one commit it?

  by Shawn10538 in

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  i seem to remember a doctrine that says that the only sin that is unforgivable is a sin against the holy spirit.

  is apostasy a sin against the holy spirit?

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  i seem to remember a doctrine that says that the only sin that is unforgivable is a sin against the holy spirit. Is apostasy a sin against the holy spirit?
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  What Do You Do for Work / Career?

  by BlackPearl in

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  i've been on the board for quite a while now and was wondering, what do my fellow jwdr's do for work, employment or career?

  me, i'm in probably one of the most hated careers in america right now.

  (not gonna tell you what it is either) but how about you, what do you do to earn a little coin?.

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  Just starting as a special ed. teacher... wish me luck, I'll need it!
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  JW's are able to give gifts anytime, not just holidays, BUT DO THEY?

  by OnTheWayOut in

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  on a thread i started awhile back, the following was in the initial post:.

  otherwise, the wife recently purchased some fancy gifts for her family members.

  ready to send home, i asked her how her df'ed sibling would feel being left out.

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  Shawn10538

  Never. Almost never. Married JWs get anneversary gifts and parties. Single ones, only when they graduate or go away somwhere. I got a party when I went to Bethel. But the idea of giving for no reason just doesn't happen. It basically is an outright LIE when JWs tell people at the door that they give gifts throughout the year. I used to feel slightly guilty for telling people at the door that lie. It's an easy lie to tell because once you say it, you have a whole year to make it true. Then if you don't do it this year, there's always next year. It's the type of thing that you just keep putting off.
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  JWs not a cult according to KNOCKING?

  by Shawn10538 in

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  2. beliefs

  i can't believe that the site mentions that jws do not fit the definition of a cult.

  is this still an issue?

  have we not proven it over and over again?

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  I can't believe this topic is getting no response. Come on people! Let's establish that JWs are a cult and lets get the word out.
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  RATE THIS SONG 1 - 10...10 being great...1 being garbage....

  by fedorE in

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  i give it a 10...i love it!.

  www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtahlpcdh9c.

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  I'll give it an 8. Very very good and funny!
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  I'm shooting for the most petty JW-caused problem/complaint

  by RisingEagle in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ok, here's the deal.

  several years ago my brother-in-law (who is also a reformed jw fader) helped us move back to oklahoma.

  while we were taking apart furniture prior to the move we were using my drill and 75 foot extension cord.

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  I used to get in trouble at Bethel for winding the cords that way. If you know how to do it it really is a handy way to tie the cord. But if you don't you are pretty much screwed.