Applies equally well to JWs. Pretty interesting to see the tables turned.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sV-a1vmZ6y8
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Door to Door Atheists Bother Mormons
by CPiolo inapplies equally well to jws.
pretty interesting to see the tables turned.. .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv-a1vmz6y8.
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Need help again with W/T quotes
by windsong inw/t may 1881, page 225
7, page 386
w/t oct. 1, 1953 page 518
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How I survived being starved, beaten and tortured by my Jehovah's WitnessÂ…
by CPiolo inhow i survived being starved, beaten and tortured by my jehovah's witness foster mother.
by alloma gilbert.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=510457&in_page_id=1879.
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How I survived being starved, beaten and tortured by my Jehovah's Witness foster mother
By ALLOMA GILBERT
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=510457&in_page_id=1879
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Colonising a metaphor
by CPiolo inthe bible tells me so.
lurking behind the middle east's problems -- and not only -- these days is the misuse of the bible to further unscrupulous political ends, argues eric walberg.
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The Bible tells me so. Lurking behind the Middle East's problems -- and not only -- these days is the misuse of the Bible to further unscrupulous political ends, argues Eric Walberg
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Judge: 14-year-old Jehovah's Witness can refuse blood transfusion
by Gilberto ina 14 year old can refuse a blood transfusion.
this is against the wishes of his parents.. http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/6420ap_wa_jehovahs_witness_transfusion.html.
judge: 14-year-old jehovah's witness can refuse blood transfusionthe associated press.
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Quick question regarding Pioneers
by CPiolo inhow many hours are currently required to be a pioneer?
what other commitment/requirements are there?
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Thanks guys. That helps.
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Quick question regarding Pioneers
by CPiolo inhow many hours are currently required to be a pioneer?
what other commitment/requirements are there?
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How many hours are currently required to be a Pioneer? What other commitment/requirements are there? Thanks in advance, CPiolo
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Calling all "unbelieving mates", AKA husbands and wives of cult members
by Check_Your_Premises inhey all.
any who have been reading my recent posts, know that they chronicle my unsuccesful attempts to prevent my wife's baptism.. it is unfortunate and clear to me that there is nothing i can do untill i really understand the problem.
i am currently reading steven hassan's, releasing the bonds.
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I am a Non-JW married to a JW. My wife returned to the organization about a year after we were married.
While we were dating, she let me know she?d been raised in the religion, but had decided to leave and had no intentions of returning. I let her know at the time that I had dated another JW and that I felt their worldview was incompatible with mine. She reassured me that there was nothing to worry about.
My knowledge of JWs at the time was fairly limited, but I knew enough to know to avoid a relationship with someone from this group. In fact, unless one has no opinions, subjugates their opinions or adopts the opinions of JWs, I don?t believe a relationship with anyone not of the group is possible, with rare exceptions, such as RebelliousSpirit. After our initial discussion, I began researching further the beliefs and practices of JWs. My initial hesitancy was more than warranted.
Well, my wife returned and all the usual conflicts of course arose. I, in turn, made all the usual mistakes in sharing my displeasure ? confronting her with my knowledge of JW doctrinal errors, flip-flops and false prophesy, being open and honest about my feelings regarding the group and its practices, etc. Well, having been well indoctrinated, all the usual walls immediately went up. To this day our relationship suffers and may very well be beyond repair. The main thing holding us together is our child -- not a very good excuse for a marriage.
I?ve read both of Hassan?s books, CoC, just about everything Alan F, Amazing, Farkel, Jan H, Cygnus and many other helpful and kind people have written. I tried to employ the various techniques many of them suggested to try and get my wife to think for herself, all to no avail. After our initial confrontations, she is leery of anything remotely critical of her religion.
In my humble opinion, the best process for extracting someone from the Watchtower is described here: http://www.freeminds.org/psych/exithelp.htm. But, this person had been a part of the organization for many years and I don?t think his family knew the extent of his doubts when he began trying to extract them. Therefore, they didn?t view him with the same skepticism and distrust a Non-Witness would be viewed with. He had an inroad we don?t. As well, his familiarity with the group would have helped immensely. Being part of a group gives one an experiential perspective that can?t be gained any other way, no matter how much one reads, researches and discusses with others one?s situation and the JW worldview. He knew intimately where the pitfalls and dangers were. He knew exactly how far he could push, when to back off and how best to approach a JW.
From what I know, the odds are heavily against a healthy relationship between a Non-JW and a JW, and even a former Witness unless they?ve gone done some serious questioning of the group, it?s beliefs and practices. The indoctrination and conditioning are very strong. I don?t want to discourage you, but rather give you a realistic view of where you stand.
What?s to your advantage is that your wife?s involvement is fairly new. She may be indoctrinated, but it fairly fresh and hasn?t had a chance to completely solidify. If you?re careful, patient and vigilant I think you stand a good chance at extracting her.
Listen to the wise counsel of people like AlanF, Farkel, Amazing and others who have enormous experience dealing with this group.
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So How Does Your "Never Been A J Dub" Partner Cope With All Of This?
by Englishman inmine does very well!.
she's astonished at the df'ing thing more than anything else.
she reckons it's all about control and power.
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Speaking as the Never-Been-A-Dub spouse, and the all this being my wife?s return to the Dubs, it?s wreaked havoc on our relationship. It doesn?t help that we have a child together that we strongly disagree about how to raise (meetings vs. absolutely no meetings, birthday?s are fun vs. birthdays are evil, it?s nice to see the family during holidays vs. I can?t participate in those celebrations, etc. etc. etc.). There?s also the inordinate amount of time that my wife?s participation requires -- reading the magazines and preparing for meetings, attending meetings, conventions and assemblies, and going out in service. I would gladly welcome her participation on this board, even if she spent as much time here as she does with the Watchtower baloney. It would mean she was on a path to better mental and spiritual health. Even though it might be difficult, the light at the end of the tunnel, would be worth the risk. It certainly couldn?t be any worse than things are now. Even if we didn?t survive the upheaval in her life that leaving the comfortable illusion the Watchtower provides, it would be better for her in the long run. But, my wife has already left the organization once and knows all that signifies. Even though she simply became inactive for years and didn?t disassociate herself nor was she disfellowshipped (she told me shortly after we met she had no intention of returning), she was shunned by former JW friends who didn?t approve of her lack of commitment. She has never fully discussed the pain of this with me (and has now probably pushed it to some obscure corner of her mind), but did speak of the pain it caused her with my mother and said to her that she didn?t understand her friends? behavior and that it had hurt her deeply. She even sought therapy at the time due to the emotional stress it caused. Living with a Dub also signifies editing your conversations. There are all sorts of ?touchy topics? where there is no inroad into the rigid JW mindset -- evolution, any Biblical point of view that differs with theirs, blood transfusions. Most everyone here knows the drill. All this leads to a lack of intimacy. What kind of marriage (supposedly one?s most intimate relationship) can someone have in such a situation. The end result is your conversations are mostly limited to the mundane. You may still share all sorts of things -- experiences, children, sex -- everything except your true self. CPiolo