here is an interesting article i came across.
although it does not mention jw's, it does mention some interesting correlations.
the link is http://www.sutphenpublishing.com/articles/battle.htm .
FreePeace:
I haven't read the article yet, but this couple seems to be "out there" in their own way. Did you explore the site. They're into past life regression and other "new age" "metaphysical" stuff. This doesn't mean the article isn't good, just that the source is questionable on some accounts.
CPiolo
"when you set someone up as an authority, never forget that the belief that you have in this authority is just your opinion.".
from still the mind; an introduction to meditation
CPiolo
i find it amusing but disconcerting to see the blinders on people's eyes when it comes to politics.
here we are, most of us having been jws, but now we are fully aware of the corruption of the wts, yet we are blind to the same thing happening in politics.
this is especially true of the more conservative members among us.
So let me see if I've got this right.
Multi-national corporations donate to political parties and candidates, wine, dine and give gifts to candidates and politicians, and buy ads in the very media they own in order to place "their people" in office, who in turn can pass laws and legislation "friendly" to their coporate backers financial interests. Quite a racket, ain't it?
It's not just the people involved, but the whole system that's corrupt. In order to fix it you need those who benefit from the system to change the system so that they no longer benefit, i.e. campaign finance reform. Not a likely scenario without a lot of pressure from their constituents, who, up till now, have been almost dead silent about reforming the system.
Same goes for the WT. Why would those at the top do something to end the freeride they get at the expense of the rank and file?
Cheers,
CPiolo
i live in northern california.
most of the conventions and get togethers i have seen posted are in the midwest.
am i all alone out here?
I'm from Southern California -- born and raised here. I've lived in LA, Orange and San Diego Counties in a variety of cities, as well as in South America. I live in Orange County now.
CPiolo
here are some quots i have saved and enjoyed.. .
h20 posted by gretchen [gretchen18] on december 07, 1999 at .
i believe that jw's are wonderful, loving people as long as they are not questioned, provoked, or debated with when it comes to faith.
Gary:
For those who may not be familiar with you, here is a link to one of my all-time favorite pieces:
. http://www.freeminds.org/buss/truth.htm
Take care,
CPiolo
watchtowerism, fascism, philosophy and blind obedience.
no one is better in describing themselves than the watchtower society.
usually this is done by accident when describing others.
G'day Unde:
Just above Norm's photo (Pepe le PU) and to the right is a little globe. Click on that to take you to Norm's website.
CPiolo
2. you are an inactive publisher and a member of a congregation.. 3. you are an inactive publisher for over 7 years and the congregation.
any congregation.
(this is a pretty good place to be).. 4. you are an inactive publisher for over 7 years and the congregation.
Lee:
Thanks for the clarification. From the perspective of the group dynamic, you are absolutely correct that from the group's perspective there is no honorable way to leave, clearly part of the cult "we versus them" mentality.
Regards,
CPiolo
2. you are an inactive publisher and a member of a congregation.. 3. you are an inactive publisher for over 7 years and the congregation.
any congregation.
(this is a pretty good place to be).. 4. you are an inactive publisher for over 7 years and the congregation.
I don't fit in any of the categories. I am not, have not been, nor ever will be a Witness. I do have the misfortune of being married to one.
This may be nothing more than semantics, but I don't agree that there is no honorable way to leave. Leaving for reasons of conscience or simply disagreement regarding belief seems to be quite honorable to me, as well as it's healthy, empowering and very honorable to leave an abusive relationship.
The dishonor lies with the WT and Witnesses, their abusive treatment of those who leave, and the manipulative threats and actions they use to ensure obedience and association. Where lies the honor in forcing others into preconceived notions of what is good or bad, right or wrong, good association or bad association, worthy or not of love and friendship irregardless of personal circumstances?
CPiolo
i am going totally crazy without him in my life.
i miss talking to him for hours on the phone, i miss spending time with him, i miss being a part of his life.
it was my decision to end things, and i know he still wants to be with me, but i am still torn to pieces.
Butalbee:
What these people are asking you to do is nothing more than emotional blackmail. As many have pointed out, no one can tell you what to do. But do you want a relationship based upon that? Again as others have pointed out, this will only get worse. Once baptized, you are subject to reproval, shunning, and disfellowshipping in order that they have further power to manipulate your behavior. If you make the choice to convert, how far will this blackmail go in influencing your relationship? Will they put on the pressure to go out in service, to change your hairstyle, to further influence who is and who is not your friend (good vs. bad associations), and so on?
Secondly, what kind of love lets others manipulate and blackmail a loved one?Your boyfriend seems content to sit back and let his family and friends try to influence you. By his inaction he is condoning their behavior. What does that say about his love for you? How strong and unconditional is it? What's wrong with you the way you are? Why does he feel the need to change you? What else about you will he want to change or will he let others try to change about you?
Will you be true to yourself by converting? Do you want a life with someone who feels the need to change you, or do you want a life with someone too weak to defend you and your relationship?
Just a few of my thoughts.
Good luck,
CPiolo
yoyomama:.
yo estaba ocupado ultimamente y solamente recien tuve tiempo para responder.
empece otro hilo porque el original ya esta enterrado y dificil encontrar.
Christina77:
As I explained earlier, this thread began in Spanish, and I was just responding to the poster in the language the original post was in. It also offers whatever native Spanish speakers who participate something in their native language. Don't worry, nothing was said in Spanish that hasn't been said previously in English.
CPiolo
