Well I got it directly from the publisher and it said 2002 edition so it should be the most recent. Plus you can choose paperback or hardcover. It was a little over 15 dollars including shipping for the paperback.
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I finally got my CoC book in the mail
by truthseeker1 ini finally got it in the mail.
i looked in local bookstores and couldn't find it and resorted to purchasing it online...i hate doing that.
it took weeks because i am a cheapskate and didn't want to pay for rush delivery.
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To You Know and other pro-JWs who are posting here
by sunshineToo inhave you read the jw zone thread on bill bowen?.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=33978&site=3.
i would like to hear your opinion.
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Interesting point you made YK about the society having many problems, not just involving child abuse. I'm glad you are free to discuss your views on the matter here with us as you would have no outlet for this kind of thinking in the congregation.
That being said, I was wondering if you felt that this "lawlessness" within the organization has only been a recent epidemic or is it as old as the organization itself?
Also, if you took away the society from Witnesses, where would their faith come from? SInce the society teaches that you can only have faith by being constantly involved with the organization then how could a witness have faith when there is no organization telling them what to believe? Wouldn't they become like the many apostates who were disfellowshipped by the organization for believing that their faith is between them and God and not through an earthly organization?
And then again, what if the Watchtower isn't "laid low", what then?
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WT says 'Church Fathers were leading teachers'
by youdontknowhim inwas it jehovahs witnesses who acknowledge the church father as leading teachers?
this is a very interesting statement by justin.
do you accept origen as an authority when he said jesus is our god?
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Some very good points and good research on a section of the Trinity brochure.
Might I suggest though that you re-word some of your sentences to make them easier to understand and so that your ideas are expressed more fluently. You seem to have an overload of information here that is hard for many to swallow in one bite. I suggest maybe an anthology series on the trinity brochure, much in the same way another poster is dissecting the blood issue. I think a lot more people would benefit from what you are trying to say if you make it easier to understand and not overload them with too much information at once.
But good work and keep it up.
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I finally got my CoC book in the mail
by truthseeker1 ini finally got it in the mail.
i looked in local bookstores and couldn't find it and resorted to purchasing it online...i hate doing that.
it took weeks because i am a cheapskate and didn't want to pay for rush delivery.
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Really, it took weeks? I just ordered one a few days ago, but I didn't see an option for rush delivery, although I may not have been paying much attention.
Did you order it off the commentary press site or one of the dealers on Amazon?
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Can't Get it Through Their Thick Skulls
by dobby inmy husband and i have been pulling away from the jw's for almost a year now and we have had very frank discussions with family and friends as to the reason why.. however, they can't seem to get it through their heads that we are unhappy with the wt beliefs, doctrines, essentially the "truth".
this despite our voicing strong opinions on the blood issue, child abuse issue, generation, false predictions etc.. even today my mom-in-law said, "you just gotta serve jah despite the people" you see about four years ago we had a terrible falling out with some mean and deceitful elders and everyone thinks that is why we are inactive.
but it's not, we kept going to the meetings for three years after that event.. and if it is not the elder thing, my friends blame my dysfunctional childhood (namely stepfather) for turning me against the truth, "it's not the truth you can't blame jah, you just didn't have a happy family, blah, blah, blah...".
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Yeah, that is almost my experience exactly. More so with my in-laws, but with my mom as well. We really left for a lot of reasons, but the one we thought we could "get away with", at least with our parents, was that we just didn't think that there was love in the congregations and the elders rule the brothers with an iron fist, telling them what they can wear, what they can watch etc. I especially experienced this as an MS.
Well anyway they would just always tell us that "its just the people" and "they're just imperfect". Anything to justify the organization. It didn't matter that these attitudes are rampant in the congregation and that pioneer children of elders get slapped on the wrist for having sex with whoever they want to, "as long as they keep it on the down-low", you know? If they were reasoning people and had an open mind then they would see that any organization claming to have holy spirit operating upon it wouldn't be half as bad as the witnesses were, even the bible says you will know them by their deeds. But they don't and they cling to it either because they are weak or needy or brainwashed or all of the above.
Its sad, especially when its family and you yourself know the real "truth". ANd then you hear your mother in law tell your wife that she would completely cut her off if she celebrated birthdays or holidays.
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Hi -New Here
by RandomTask ini want to share since i'm new here!
i was more or less born into the jw religion and raised as one.
my mom was a pretty strict believer, but she didn't get baptized until i was 9, "surprisingly" my parents got divorced three years later.
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RedPill, I also think that some people who are in the org actually need it to stay sane. They control every part of your life, for this reason it actually draws people to the organization, people who can't think for themselves. For them the org is like a security blanket that protects them from reality. These people have a chioce to join and they often do so willingly, knowing what they have to give up. But when those people have children they also try to indoctrinate them into the religion, but it usually doesn't take. I saw so many my age and younger who are still in the religion, but long to be like "normal" people. The only reason they wouldn't even think of leaving is so that they are mortally afraid of displeasing their parents, plus I think that all that "die at armageddon" stuff keeps them in line too! Its those people who I am most concerned about, the people that didn't really have a choice and don't belong there.
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Is Mutual Respect Possible?
by Sociologist inone of the most striking things about this and similar message boards concerning jehovah's witnesses is the strength of feeling jw-related discussions evoke.
as i dabble in sociology, i was wondering what you all thought about the following questions.
my objective is not to criticize persons belonging to other group but rather to attempt to grasp the dynamics of the conflicts at work here.. the questions:.
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It's possible to have mutual respect and it even happens from time to time, but you have to remember that as HUMANS we all have feelings, sometimes those feelings get hurt. Some people are so mad that they have wasted part or even most of their life believing lies. This may have caused them to miss out on "normal" human activities, things that they can never go back and do, like being a normal kid, doing extra-curricular activites in high school, use their youth to get a higher education, etc. They are hurt because they see others that they care about still being misled by the same lies, lies which are so obvious, but because of the insidiousness of the organization, those that they care about fail or refuse to see them.
Even with all of this, most people here like normal people tend to move on with their lives, not willing to let the cult keep ruining their life by being consumed with anger. What sets people off though for the most part is when somebody tries to defend the organization and put these people down for leaving it.
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Its funny what you say about the world becoming a totalitarian regime, its what the Witnesses were saying during WWI and WWII, that the results of the wars would be worldwide totalitarianism that would try to wipe out world religion and then the witnesses.
It didn't happen.
But you seem to be singing the same old song. Actually if you look at the world today compared with say 50 years ago, there have never been so many people under democratic rule than there are today!! The fact is that you have nothing to back up your claims that the world would definitely become a totalitarian state and then when it does it definitely means that Apostates will gladly kill witnesses.
We fail to grasp it because it is so outlandishly far-fetched and based on assumption after assumption that the normal, sane mind cannot possibly process the thought. It really is the kind of idea that reminds us all why we left the witnesses in the first place.
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Its interesting because one of the major reasons I left the witnesses was because I had NO DESIRE to see people killed like every one of the JW's fervently pray for.
I haven't seen anyone on this board display hate for individual witnesses or even witnesses as a group, just hatred of the mind controlling organization that has these people misled. Most of us have family that are still witnesses and we would like nothing else than for them to wake up to the truth about the WTS. This exemplifies care and not hatred for the witnesses, for we believe that the need help, not a premature death.
I believe that YK has some serious issues only made worse by his JW influence. He has seriously misjudged us all methinks.
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What a jerk...
by joannadandy inok so it always bothered me what a jerk jacob was.
he was a deceptive little cheater, and yet he was favored over his brother?
he used a blatant trick to confuse his obviously blind old father...how is he a biblical hero?.
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Hmm, I will have to look into this. Never really thought of it that way. Now I have something new to think about.