on what are they spending it?
can't be on new kingdom halls, since they "loan" the money to the congregations?
can it really cost $950 million dollars a year to print magazines and books?
they do spend their money wisely
Bethel upkeep: about $20,000 per bethelite per year, building upkeep, gas, electricity, phone, medical expenses, vehicles, air fare
they are basically maintainig 3 little cities in NY State.
ink, paper, machines,
away from bethel: non witness lawyers, convention sites, missionaries, traveling overseers,
i am sure their is more but that is what i can think of, i was their for a few years
what is killing them is doctor expenses
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the spin on downsizing is apparently "go out into the field" yet when the gb initially considered this it must have been presented as a practical problem - too much surplus hr capacity/ too expensive to maintain - or whatever and yet they turned it into a positive matter by stressing the return to the field - all those in such discussions are clearly able to deceive themselves as much as they try and deceive the "flock" - what do you think - did a discussion on a practical problem have to have a positive outcome and how did they twist their minds so as to sell it as such - for years they begged people to stay in bethel service (make it your home for life) and now they cast them out into the world with the thin veneer of "speedin g up the preaching work .. etc".
all those at the top must have been involved in turning this huge embarrasment (jehovah will provide etc) into a positive spin - they should try out for a marketing award "downsizing - the only way to grow!
doinyourpart - in a stupored state a vaguely remember them stating that many bethelites will be headed around the country to help out in the field because technology is doing much of the work in bethel - something to that effect, don't quote me. but yep, 2 weeks ago. i am surprised no one posted that, or maybe someone did. anyone?
i have looked and looked for ways to move them to a flash drive or cd for protection in case my computer would go out - but all i seem to be doing is getting frustrated by this.. so far the only way i can seem to save them is to copy and paste to a word processor file - then save to my flash drive - very time consumming and slow.
thoughts?.
jeff
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the spin on downsizing is apparently "go out into the field" yet when the gb initially considered this it must have been presented as a practical problem - too much surplus hr capacity/ too expensive to maintain - or whatever and yet they turned it into a positive matter by stressing the return to the field - all those in such discussions are clearly able to deceive themselves as much as they try and deceive the "flock" - what do you think - did a discussion on a practical problem have to have a positive outcome and how did they twist their minds so as to sell it as such - for years they begged people to stay in bethel service (make it your home for life) and now they cast them out into the world with the thin veneer of "speedin g up the preaching work .. etc".
all those at the top must have been involved in turning this huge embarrasment (jehovah will provide etc) into a positive spin - they should try out for a marketing award "downsizing - the only way to grow!
I still don't understand (and I'm trying, really I am) - if WTBTS are cutting the number of staff at HQ Brooklyn, why are they building the new buidings at 85 Jay? As far as I understand it (though I may be wrong) they've got building permission on the basis that these are to be staff quarters.Anyone got any ideas?
JoeGrundy, I don't think they are actually building right now. A similar thing occured in the Patterson complex when it was said that the society was expanding or building offices in patterson. It never came about. The GB told us that they just want to know where they can go with things, "if the city gives the ok, it means we must have Jah's blessing." Load of crock once again. The city of WKL won't let them expand because they don't want a huge population of witnoids in the back country. If the society decided to stay in BRK (rumor is they want to relocate but not to wkl or pat) it would be to their advantage to build a new building in BRK. Right now they have many residences spread out in BRK ... Towers, Livingston (which was sold or in the process), 80 Orange, Standish, 124 CH, 107 CH, Bossert - this creates too much traveling of goods and services. It would be better to store the borgs in 2 buildings - Sands and Jay. IMHO
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the spin on downsizing is apparently "go out into the field" yet when the gb initially considered this it must have been presented as a practical problem - too much surplus hr capacity/ too expensive to maintain - or whatever and yet they turned it into a positive matter by stressing the return to the field - all those in such discussions are clearly able to deceive themselves as much as they try and deceive the "flock" - what do you think - did a discussion on a practical problem have to have a positive outcome and how did they twist their minds so as to sell it as such - for years they begged people to stay in bethel service (make it your home for life) and now they cast them out into the world with the thin veneer of "speedin g up the preaching work .. etc".
all those at the top must have been involved in turning this huge embarrasment (jehovah will provide etc) into a positive spin - they should try out for a marketing award "downsizing - the only way to grow!
Being at Bethel for some time, it was well known that there was a lot of mismanagement of funds and personnel.
1st they started to see where they could save $ so they started the Unify Consolidate Simplify (something like that) strategy.
They redid the meals. One menu for all 3 complexes. Before each complex had it's own menu.
Each department had it's own tools (waste of money) so it was decided to establish 3 key locations so that any department needing tools was able to check them out.
the society purchased a million dollar program called SAP that handled the management of stock and inventory and EVERYTHING else that got rid of programmers and stupid WT built software.
Also, departments were flooded with workers with no work to do. We were told to look busy.
then they said we are opening the doors so that you can go to gilead or TMS right out of Bethel.
From a management position, these decisions came too late. It should not have gotten this far but the GB thought they could handle everything but obviously they couldn't so they hired the Branch Commiittee to make all these decisions.
i agree, when the letter was read at the kingdom hall, i was, damn, so stupid... not surprised though, they operate like any other company who needs to look good so that they won't lose any customers.
'GIVE ME A BREAK!"
anyone have a chance to read this book?
it's very good and an easy read.
if you like "the power of now" you will like this one.
thanks moanzy - i am almost done with the power of now. seems very repetiitve but it's pretty good.
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i've heard of judicial committees df'ing people because their repentance, although genuine, was of the wrong kind.. for years now, elders have been told to make absolutely sure that a persons abject repentance, which might include copious weeping and even hysteria, is to be of no avail if:.
they suspect that the accused's being sorry is only the fact that they are feeling sorry for themselves.. they suspect that the accused is showing sorrow only for the fact that they have been found out.. anyone else come across this?.
welcome to jwd BecauseImBroken
i am sorry for all the mess you had to go through. please feel welcomed here on jwd, you have family here, we can grieve together
well job didn't have the internet like we do :-)
so i just got back from the convention - yes, feel pity on me... i had to attend all three days, spend money on a crappy hotel, sleep in a crappy town, sit on my ass for 8 hours a day, and all just to hear about the same old crap you can read in any watchtower.
i didn't take notes because not only would my head have exploded from the sheer boredom and stupidity, but i would be responsible for all your heads exploding as well.
are there any highlights?
damn DP... that was post 666. how appropriate
Post 666
6 Letters in Daniel
posted in the year 2006
dude. you are not daniel you are "mark"
just recently my husband was visiting with a friend of ours, who still has some witness connections and is dfed.
he said that his mother and other witness family members have called him.
they said that the society is now encouraging ones with dfed or inactive family members to call them an encourage them to come back.
yep. actually about 2 years ago the circuit overseers told the elders to activate the inactive ones. #'s were getting to low
hello faders--.
one problem you will have as you leave is making new friendships.
you will find that your new friends can *gasp* disagree with you vehemently and still be your friends.
thanks ldh. those are great tips. i will keep them in mind. :-) reminds me: as I was digging deep into conspiracy theories with regards to 9/11 + the fact that I was there when it happened, i wanted to converse with 2 elders about it in regular conversation. one elder who is very witty on stage had nothing to say. WTF? the other said, well things like that don't matter when you have the truth? WTF to the 2nd power. After that i said, forget you, can't converse with witnoids about nothing not WTBTS related.
