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  need advice from those with believing JW mates.

  by hallowedbethyname in

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  hi.. its been a very long time since i posted, but i think im pretty close to breaking down.

  ive been fading for awhile now, and am still married to a dub.

  she is trying to be as supportive as she can be, but i cant stand that she is still one.

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  2112

  Hi Hallowed,

  I know what you are going through. I've been out for almost 14 yrs. and my wife is still as active as ever. It is not easy. Do you have childern? My wife had a son before we met and we have one together. Her son was a victim of molestation from a guy who was later, after the molestation was reported to the elders and the police, made a MS. How's that for Holy Spirit direction?

  As far as your wife is concerned, if you love her then let her do what she wants, when she starts talking about the WT you have the right as her "Head" to state your beliefs also. Don't get drawn into an argument about it. However you do not have to listen and be silent, unless you want to, but you have the right to answer her. When she gets upset, and she will, just explain why you believe what you do, and let her know that your sprituality is not determined by her beliefes. It is a hard lesson for them to learn as they will call it persecution. You may be able to get her to think a little if you are a good husband, father, friend, enployee, etc. she will in the back of her mind wounder how this is possable, how could a non or ex witness be a good person. Just a quick story- My wife once asked me if our next door neighbor was gay, I said no why do you ask? She replied "Well, he's not a witness and I know he's not married and I don't see a bunch of women walking in and out of his house so he must be gay." This was one of those times I could not keep silent, and it was never mentioned again.

  I know that's not much help, I have little time at the moment.
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  Top dog----------------

  by vitty in

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  im not sure where to put this ,so if you want to move i dont mind................ anyway, my dog is 10 and is a cute little male.

  but as he is also spoilt he thinks hes the alpha male in the house.

  since we moved house hes become a real pain, barking at anything that passes, forcing me to take him for a walk when he wants to and wont wait (following me, whinning, staring at the door) in the end i do take him even if its inconvient, just to make him stop.. hes even starting to be reluctant when i want him to go in the utility room, where he sleeps, and i though he was going to bite me, hes never done that before.

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  When you eat, make sure you eat before you feed the dog. Assert your authority, and do not give in. Also as was mentioned get him a check up, soon.
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  Schizm, Scholar and other WT defenders

  by 2112 in

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  schizm, scholar or any other wt defenders, please if you have a topic, like a bible verse, a wt doctrine, a non wt doctrine etc.

  start a thread, we will discuss it with you.

  but keep the discussion on the subject don't attack people just because they don't agree with you.

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  2112

  I am glad to see that you all have responded to this thread. Schizm, I will agree that there are some ex-dubs that do attact you guys, I was sarcastic towards you myself, and I agree that it is wrong. I apologize for that. But if you will be honest with youself, you will know that we recieved that training from the WT. We were taught , just as you have been and continue to be, that any person that is not a JW worships Satan, and desirves death. The only redeming qualities any non JW's have is that they might become one. You are to view ex JW's as dead, but only because you can not legally put us to death. So it is for these reasons that some people attack you guys personally. That, however does not excuse it.

  Now back to the thread..................do you guys have a topic, scripture, WT doctrine, or non WT doctrine you want to discuss?
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  Schizm, Scholar and other WT defenders

  by 2112 in

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  schizm, scholar or any other wt defenders, please if you have a topic, like a bible verse, a wt doctrine, a non wt doctrine etc.

  start a thread, we will discuss it with you.

  but keep the discussion on the subject don't attack people just because they don't agree with you.

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  Schizm, Scholar or any other WT defenders, Please if you have a topic, like a Bible verse, a WT doctrine, A non WT doctrine etc. start a thread, we will discuss it with you. But keep the discussion on the subject don't attack people just because they don't agree with you. It truly makes you loose any credibility. There are many differing viewpoints and ideas expressed here and all are just as valid as the next. I know you two don't agree with that, so why don't you convince us where we are wrong. If you are truly a love of Jehovah and you still find your self on this board reading and posting, then you must believe you are here to win those that have drifted away back into the fold. Or to bring new ones the the WTS. If that is your motivation then by all means do so, but if you are only here to make personal attacks, and not answer questions when asked (Within a thread you are involved in) then your moitves are insincere, and should report yourself to the elders and beg for their forgivness.

  But let's be honest do you really want to have an open discussion? Or do you really think that your reasonings are so convencing that those hereing it should convert and conform or die. Please prove to us your pure motives. Remember calling someone an ass even if they are an ass does nothing to prove or disprove their viewpoint.
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  got my stopwatch.............

  by BlackSwan of Memphis in

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  let's say you have 20 seconds (give or take) to make an impression on a jw.

  to say something that will stick in their head and make them really think.

  because you know, that once they realize you are an apostate, they will shut down anything else that you have to say.. what do you say?.

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  Well it is obvious the Schizm, that you have nothing to offer other than personal attacks. We have asked you qustions that you avoid. Yet you want to attack the clergy, and I doubt if there are any clergy members here. I guess that makes it real easy for you though. Anyway, the WT elders park in the clergy spaces at hospitals and elsewhere and by your own admition you do to, so that must make you an ass. (Sorry but I'm only following your logic)
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  got my stopwatch.............

  by BlackSwan of Memphis in

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  let's say you have 20 seconds (give or take) to make an impression on a jw.

  to say something that will stick in their head and make them really think.

  because you know, that once they realize you are an apostate, they will shut down anything else that you have to say.. what do you say?.

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  Schizm please tell us that you don't really believe all this you've said. You can say with all confidance that others on this board do not have the determination to do Gods will? Does that not put you in a position of judgment? And I ask you by what means do you judge, and by what standards? The "religious leaders" that you refer to are generally very patriotic.- So, what does that prove? They haven't got the "balls" to live by the Bible's standards! They're cowards, actually, and in a sense "criminals" as well. - Well thank God we have you with your ability to read the hearts of others. Tell us what Bible standards are they not living by.

  It's the determination to be doing God's will that shows that a religion is "true". - This is the most subjective thing you could have said to "prove" your point. (Which is exactly why you said it). Who exactly makes the determination weather or not a person or a religion(since you seem to believe that being in a religion, the "Only true religion", is what saves you) is determined to do Gods will. Do you really want to say that you personally know for a fact which religion/religions have the determination to do Gods will. Can you honestly tell me that the mothers of Judas, Stalin, and Hitler loved their sons any less the Mary loved Jesus. Can you say as an undenialable fact that the Buddist monks, the Muslem praying to Allah five times a day, and even the late Mother Theresa are/were not determined to do gods will? - We know you short answers but please enlighten us with your perfict wisdom and explain you answers to us.

  If you really believe the Bible and Jesus then, you will have to know that everyone will be judged by Christ as an individual based on their own life, not by what group you belong to.
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  Which Church do I go to now?

  by jwfacts in

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  i personally feel no particular need for institutionalised religion, but recognise it is a benefit to many people.

  however i am constantly asked, "where do i go to now?

  what is the best answer to give someone?

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  A lot of great answers, yet I wonder if we are missing the point.

  If someone leaving the WT is asking "Where (what church) do I go to now?", then we must show them that they are still thinking with their witness mind. That is a "proof scripture" they miss quote within their circular reasoning to trick newbies. We need to show them that in the scripture Jesus was asked "Whom do we go away to, you have the sayings of life". Meaning singular, one person. We can then ask them does the WT not deny Jesus his place by putting themselves in his place.

  God, how were we all so blind as to not see how simple this really is?
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  Watchtower January 15, 2006, Reinstatement

  by blindersoff in

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  january 15, 2006, "oppose satan, and he will flee!

  " pg 29, paragraphs 13, 14

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  That being the case, according to the WT, Paul would have been the "organization" and therefore apposing Paul would be worse than having sex with your fathers wife. Yet in either case it does not say he repented.
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  Watchtower January 15, 2006, Reinstatement

  by blindersoff in

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  january 15, 2006, "oppose satan, and he will flee!

  " pg 29, paragraphs 13, 14

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  2112

  I did not say they were the same person but I guess it may have been infered. however either way the scripture does not say he or they repented.
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  Watchtower January 15, 2006, Reinstatement

  by blindersoff in

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  january 15, 2006, "oppose satan, and he will flee!

  " pg 29, paragraphs 13, 14

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  I would like to know where in 2 Cor. is it stated that this man "later repented". It does not say that the cong. should go and get him, bring him back, show him "genuine" love- lest Satan overtake him. But it does not say he repented first.