put aside all of the 607 b.c.e., there is another question that i'm not familiar with and mabyee some of you know what there explanation is, or if they don't even address the issue.
we are all familiar with the account in daniel chapter five, and nebuchadnezzars dream about the tree.
daniels explanation of this dream begins: .
Thanks for your explanation Keith. I simply can't believe that I never once questioned this most basic idea. The only way the Watchtower can insert its own idea into the interpretation is by stressing the scripture that speaks of his acknowledgement of Jehovah as "most high is ruler in the kingdom of mankind". This is very strained reasoning.
Thanks for everybodys input.
And Slave1111, good luck to you.
Thank you.......
hello friends, i would like to hear some stories of becoming anointed.
i have been for 5 years now.. been a christian for 26 years.
i dropped out of the watchtower in september and am learning in leaps and bounds since i left with my new eyes.
Hello friends, I would like to hear some stories of becoming anointed. I have been for 5 years now.. been a christian for 26 years. I dropped out of the watchtower in September and am learning in leaps and bounds since I left with my new eyes.
If you research the scriptures on those that were anointed, you will note that they communicated with Jehovah directly. Does JAH communicate with you?
I can give testimony as to how JAH communicates His thoughts to you. Do you percieve Jehovahs thoughts in your mind?
T.F.D.S.
ever notice this about the so called anointed?
the ones i've met seem to think they have these powers especially with the scriptures and some brothers and sisters treat them as such.
i always thought this was weird and somewhat superstitious.
"I am the only anointed upon the earth as king and have the special priviledge of being assigned the tasks of the faithful and discreet slave."Oh (brown)boy! Here we go again.
"What would you like to know about your Father JAH? I can tell you in truth......."
Can he tell me what name you'll appear under next here on JWD? Why do you keep changing names? It comes across as deceptive.
One is deleted and a new one is born all under the influence of Jehovah God.......only JAH knows the future of man upon the earth. I follow what was scripted from long ago and foretold in prophecy, amen....... T.F.D.S.
this is something of intrest to all.so far many have learned that the "seven times" in dan 4:25 had seemed to apply that the 2520 yrs from the date 607bc took us to the date 1914. seeing now that conclusive evidence that the 607bc date is wrong and the date 587 or 586bc is the correct date, this puts the calulations out of wack.
so who did the "seven times"apply to?
well, if the whole chapter 4 and verses 20+21 of chapter 5 is read, we can see that the "seven times" only applied to nebuchadnezzar himself- and no one else.
In the 19trh century there was an end of times fever that drove many people to take biblical verses and interpret them in an arbitrary way so as to arrive finally at some end of times date that was to be due at some time soon.
This sort of manipulation also gave the 1914 date that Russell borrowed from Barbour. All these dates without exception failed miserably.
It can be reasoned upon that the date of 1914 was derived after the world war begin as a prophecy cannot be recognized until after it is fulfilled. This proved to be a horrible time for men upon the earth. However, in all of reasonable thinking, it woul not take Jehovah, the Almighty God, and Jesus Christ thise many years to take over the planet we call earth. He is strong and has accomplished the judging of the heavens within a period of one year, amen....... T.F.D.S.
put aside all of the 607 b.c.e., there is another question that i'm not familiar with and mabyee some of you know what there explanation is, or if they don't even address the issue.
we are all familiar with the account in daniel chapter five, and nebuchadnezzars dream about the tree.
daniels explanation of this dream begins: .
1 And there must go forth a twig out of the stump of Jes´se; and out of his roots a sprout will be fruitful. 2 And upon him the spirit of Jehovah must settle down, the spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the spirit of counsel and of mightiness, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of Jehovah; 3 and there will be enjoyment by him in the fear of Jehovah.
And he will not judge by any mere appearance to his eyes, nor reprove simply according to the thing heard by his ears. 4 And with righteousness he must judge the lowly ones, and with uprightness he must give reproof in behalf of the meek ones of the earth. And he must strike the earth with the rod of his mouth; and with the spirit of his lips he will put the wicked one to death. 5 And righteousness must prove to be the belt of his hips, and faithfulness the belt of his loins.
The tree was cut down and banded until Jehovah placed Jesus Christ in the heavens as king. Jesus is out of the root of Jesse and I am out of the branch of Jesus Christ, or family tree. This should answer your question. It holds true as I am the offspring of Abraham, therefore Jehovah has begin to fulfill the promise to His loved one Abraham, a true friend of JAH, amen.......
Estephan Leuese; soon to be king upon the earth in the "New Jerusalem"
aka: The Faithful and Discreet Slave whom his Master has appointed all of His belongings, Amen.......
put aside all of the 607 b.c.e., there is another question that i'm not familiar with and mabyee some of you know what there explanation is, or if they don't even address the issue.
we are all familiar with the account in daniel chapter five, and nebuchadnezzars dream about the tree.
daniels explanation of this dream begins: .
I don't think that God has anything more to do with his "Physical" nation of Israel. They where given to destruction in the first century and for the most part their preisthood was lost. God now has a new arrangement with all of mankind that goes beyond one nation. To think that Israel still holds some plan in it all is something I think most of us really arn't thinking about.
The promises still belong to the offspring of Abraham as the remnant.
18 Who is a God like you, one pardoning error and passing over transgression of the remnant of his inheritance? He will certainly not hold onto his anger forever, for he is delighting in loving-kindness. 19 He will again show us mercy; he will subject our errors. And you will throw into the depths of sea all their sins. 20 You will give trueness to Jacob, loving-kindness to Abraham, which you swore to our forefathers from the days of long ago. (Micah)
The kingship was removed from those upon the earth for disobediance until Jesus Christ was born. Hereafter in the end all nations will become one under the authority of Jesus in the heavens, whom I have met in all of his strength. I could only bear a small portion of the awesome power of Christ. This is the New Jerusalem in which righteousness is to dwell all in union under Christ.
T.F.D.S.
put aside all of the 607 b.c.e., there is another question that i'm not familiar with and mabyee some of you know what there explanation is, or if they don't even address the issue.
we are all familiar with the account in daniel chapter five, and nebuchadnezzars dream about the tree.
daniels explanation of this dream begins: .
I just had this conversation with him in the thread about 'the seven times in Daniel'.Prove that I am crazy by providing evidence
Can you prove you are not by providing evidence?
Define crazy and we will set the basis for reasoning. I will begin by asking: Who are the holy ones of the Most High God Jehovah? T.F.D.S.
is it killing 42 children because they called prophet elisha a bald headed man (which he probably was, so they did ot even lie)?.
is it killing 70000 innocent israelites because the king david does a counting of the people?
(it is hard to keep the numbers right if the fluctuate so much).
Stop hijacking other people's threads brownboy! Your jah is a crazy wicked sack of shit...
Don't you know that anger begats anger? Calm your heart and relax. It will all be over sooner than later, amen....... T.F.D.S.
hi, folks.
for those who may not remember my previous posts, i'm someone who has been studying with the jw's for about two years but didn't commit (i.e., get baptized) because, as i thought then, i was just too selfish and cowardly to join up with the jw's.
that's before i found this site and watched the dateline video on the child molestation problem.
Hi, folks. For those who may not remember my previous posts, I'm someone who has been studying with the JW's for about two years but didn't commit (i.e., get baptized) because, as I thought then, I was just too selfish and cowardly to join up with the JW's. That's before I found this site and watched the Dateline video on the child molestation problem. Now, I realize that the JW's probably aren't God's chosen organization and the that Governing Body certainly isn't the Faithful and Discreet slave. However, I'm still intending on going to the Sunday meetings because I just don't know another church to attend (I have major disagreements with most other organized religions as well), and I still believe that the JW's are right about some things (e.g., no Hellfire, paradise earth, etc.).I thought that I might just be able to blend into the background of the congregation once my book study had ended, which it finally did last week when I finished the last book. Not so, though. My book study conductor asked me to meet with her one more time to "review" my concerns. I won't go into detail here, but it wasn't a great meeting. It's almost as if she took it very personally that I wasn't buying into some of the "proofs" about the existence of the F&DS (I didn't let on that I'd watched the Dateline video & some other stuff I found here because I didn't want to see her get that self-righteous, patronizing look that says, "See what apostate sites can do). A couple of times, she would say something about it being up to me to accept it and then say, "But I fear for you." In retrospect, that really ticks me off.
Anyway, I digress. My original purpose in posting is to ask whether anyone here has any idea of the groups that the JW's sometimes point to as the "faithful and discreet slave" between the time the church turned apostate and the time when the JW's were formed. That's a question that I'd previously asked my book study conductor and that had pretty much stumped her. At this last meeting, though, she came prepared. She told me she'd spoken to an elder, and he'd told her something about a group called the Lallerites(not sure I have that right)??? I can't remember the name she gave me, but even she seemed uncomfortable with it (almost like she really didn't believe it). Does anyone have any idea what she was referring to? If so, does it have any validity?
I could ask her, I suppose, but I really don't want to meet with her again. She asked me if we could meet just once more but this time with an Elder. I agreed at the time, but I've changed my mind now. I get the feeling that the only purpose of this next meeting is for them to come armed and try to get me to admit that they're right on certain points so that they can self-righteously claim to have done "everything they can" for me and shake their head because I just don't get it.
Thanks!
The W.T.S. is correct in many of their teachings but also incorrect. No one religion holds true as JAH will prove all men as liars. If it is from Jehovah, then it will come to pass is the belief. Why is it there was so many dates that proved not to be accurate? The faithful and discreet slave is born only in the end times of which we are in. Many religions lay claim to the promises of Abraham, however they still belong to Abraham and his offspring. I am offspring of Abraham out of the tribe of Levi, and I am anointed king upon the earth in subjection to Jesus Christ. The faithful and discreet slave is a living sacrifice in like manner to the first slave upon the earth, namely Jesus Christ, who was a sacrifice in death. The slave is not greater than the master and I never claim to be.
put aside all of the 607 b.c.e., there is another question that i'm not familiar with and mabyee some of you know what there explanation is, or if they don't even address the issue.
we are all familiar with the account in daniel chapter five, and nebuchadnezzars dream about the tree.
daniels explanation of this dream begins: .
oh no,,, not ANOTHER CRAZY! Slave, are you brownboy again???
Brownboy was a nickname growing up as a young man. Estephan Leuese is my name given to me by Jehovah God, the Almighty. Prove that I am crazy by providing evidence to the contrary of what is posted. Otherwise keep your silly condemnation to yourself. T.F.D.S.
