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  Bethel Elders - What are they doing now?

  by truthseeker in

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  a few months ago someone posted that the position of bether elder was to be removed.. i don't know how many bethel elders there were, but there must have been quite a few?.

  are they just regular bethelites?

  how would those under them feel, now that they're "one of us"?.

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  you don't need as many managers after you have sent a large number of the managed out into limbo land. what are they doing now? trying to convince themseleves it is god's will and somehow is in their best interests. and i imagine there is a lot of self medicating going on.lol
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  "Never Trust a Bethelite"

  by drew sagan in

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  i remember a long time ago hearing the phrase.

  during my time as a witness i've known a few, and the amazing thing is that it really is quite true.

  the two i really got to know both had problems, in fact they where much in the same personality wise.

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  i don't trust anybody but my darling wife.

  ak-jeff,

  can you truly believe that an ex-bethelite is automatically a better woman/man? a number of them would still be there if things had gone their way imho.

  j2s of the never even visited that den of vipers class
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  Extra training ... so you know that shooting babies is WRONG ?!?

  by Simon in

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  2. current

  how dumb and pathetic.. no extra training should be necessary for even slightly trained and disciplined soldiers.

  i guess it is for some of the rabble that the us call "troops" though.. of course the real problem is not just those on the ground that have committed the latest attrocity.

  it is the chain of command that tried to cover it up and all the way up to the president who sanctions bombing of civilian targets with nothing more than rumour for "intelligence".. from now on america, you are on your own.

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  this happened in viet nam. remember my lai? there isn't an army in the world that is above this type of action. jews kill palistinian(spelling?) women and children, the palistinians kill jewish women and children. muslims kill themselves and any man, woman, or child unfortunate enough to be in their vicinity when they blow themselves up. anti-muslims kill themselves and any man, woman, or child unfortunate enough to get in the way. how many women and children did the english kill in their their many wars against black people in africa? hell even the african soldiers only had knives and spears. and by the way some of those knives and spears were used to kill women and children. no country, no militia, no army, no rebel force, no guerilla band is innocent. every military victory is awash in the blood of women and children, it is true now, it was true in the past, and it will be true in the future. i am ashamed of the human race. and i think everyone else should be also. not because i am ashamed, but because it is a shameful thing. this world cannot end soon enough.
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  "Privileges"

  by Joe Grundy in

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  yet another question (two actually), i'm afraid (but i am learning from all this, honestly!)..

  i've seen the term 'privileges' on here many times, and i think i now understand that it means 'being allowed to carry out tasks in the congregation' - which includes walking round with the microphone, operating the pa system, etc.

  in the services.

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  "i hope i don't offend anyone..."

  it really is hard to offend most people on jwd...most of us have been offended by people who didn't care whether we took offence or not. however it is fairly easy to get someone to take offence for the same reason.

  "...it all seems a bit pathetic"

  pathetic only scratches the surface of the way you are made to feel by petty men who feel that turning the lights off after the meeting and making sure there is toilet paper in the ladies room sunday morning are priveleges to be doled out to men whom they find spiritually mature enough to handle these simple tasks. in our congregation it isn't the people who carry the mike who are considered special, it's the guy who runs the sound system. they all want to be that guy.

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  The last cry for help as faith burns out

  by Qcmbr in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  many here have lost once bedrock faith via various means.

  like a sun burning up all its fuel i find some people experience a last explosive attempt to retain faith before finally walking away spent and unfulfilled.

  did you have a moment when you gambled all on a last attempt to get god's attention and answer all those inexorable doubts?

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  narkisso,

  you know what they say about assume. and you are right his profile says latter day saints. see what i mean about knowledge? i think at least part of rant holds up though...if you ask god to verify that bringem young was a saint and he doesn't is that a sign that god doesn't exist?

  j2s formerly of the i don't care how you bringem, just bringem young class
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  This is it; I'm done!!

  by WingCommander in

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  2. experiences

  yes, you heard me correctly.

  i was born in jw land.

  i didnt do the fade i didnt have to.

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  wingcommander,

  coming to a decision like this is always difficult, but not nearly as difficult as waiting for god to affirm the watchtower society as his earthly organization...this isn't going to happen because it isn't. the pamplet wasn't a sign but it seems that the video was. what do you think? perhaps your prayers were answered, just not in the way you expected. it is a difficult thing to draw closer to jehovah especially with all of the roadblocks the christian congregation of jehovah's witnesses, along with many other religions and secular orgs, put in your path. the borg teaches that the only way to god is through them. this alone should convince anyone the falseness of their teaching, because god tells us jesus is the path. i know they claim jesus as their organizational head...but i can't find anywhere he claims them...so who you gonna believe?

  life really is about free will. i hope yours leads to happiness.

  j2s
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  The last cry for help as faith burns out

  by Qcmbr in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  many here have lost once bedrock faith via various means.

  like a sun burning up all its fuel i find some people experience a last explosive attempt to retain faith before finally walking away spent and unfulfilled.

  did you have a moment when you gambled all on a last attempt to get god's attention and answer all those inexorable doubts?

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  why would jehovah answer a prayer seeking help to stay in the godless wtb&ts? maybe he did answer, he said get away from the unclean thing so that their judgement is not your judgement. i think this shows his concern both for individuals and all people. i mean, do you think god would answer anyones plea for help with... go in service more,turn in your time on time, and whatever you do associate with the pharisees as much as possible. i don't think so. i am suprised sometimes at this equating the society with god and vice versa. first i would be sure who i was praying to. and if you are praying to stay in the borg perhaps you aren't praying to jehovah but to jaracz.

  there is no such thing as absolute obedience. humans are not capable of this and prove it all the time. you can't work your way into jehovah's good graces. my efforts to do this are no better than your efforts to do this. this method is doomed from the go.

  many people seek spiritual experience/witness and when it comes they ignore it because it isn't what they expected or it isn't what they wanted or they just didn't recognize it. is this god's fault?

  what kind of response do you expect from doing something really bad? something really good? jesus did not jump from the precipice. he knew there could be an unhappy ending to such a foolish act and acted accordingly. the problem i see with people who choose this method as a test of god's loyalty is...they jump and then blame jehovah for not stopping them. and if he didn't stop them he must not exist.

  as for my own experience...i have always asked for two things---knowledge and discernment. and i have been blessed with both. i'm not talking about academic knowledge. the knowledge some of us have gained about the true workings of the wtb&ts is a blessing without measure. without this knowledge it would be very difficult to discern the truth behind the lies. and without knowledge we might fall into the trap of jaracz says instead of jehovah says.

  with what we know about identity theft i think jehovah would have good case against the christian congregation of jehovah's witnesses.

  j2s
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  Voting at meetings

  by wozadummy in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  years ago when i went to meetings there were announcements made about use of money ,whether to redecorate halls, send money to the society etc.

  and i used to vote like everyone else looking around to see if there were any detractors.

  well one day i had thought about the procedure and came up with this:.

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  this was never meant to be a control of the elders kind of thing. for one thing, at least around here, the procedure was for the boe to purchase something or commit some funds( donations, co, etc.) and then take a vote to see if the congregation approved!!! even after we quit voting and even voted no on somethings, the abstentions and negative votes were never reported. i have seen them buy land, carpet, chairs, paint, wallpaper, and signs using this method...i always thought it had something to do with dealing with the government, probably having to do with their beloved tax free status. we were even told at a meeting that "the congregation" had no idea about some of the things the boe did in the name of the congregation, having to do with donating money to individuals in need. the elder seemed proud of this fact. this is the same man who told everyone during a watchtower study, in his usual arrogant manner, that it wouldn't do any good to complain to the gb about him because if you write them a letter the "arrangement" was to handle it by sending that letter to him, we were already aware of this but i think it suprised a few people. he let everyone know he thought this was a wonderful arrangement.

  there is no control over these men when it comes to the rank and file. the borg has absolutely no interest in controlling them except for cases that impact the mighty compound at bethel. when i first questioned new york about this(voting) i was told that it wasn't a "vote" it was an "opinion poll" and there was nothing wrong with asking the congregation for their opinion in such matters. this may have been my first encounter with theocratic warfare though at the time i just thought they were lies, damnable lies...i still do.. edited to add...this took place more than ten years ago and nothing has changed.

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  Ruling restricts shunning practices

  by nelly136 in

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  maybe the tide is turning.. .

  http://www.kentucky.com/mld/heraldleader/news/14403177.htm.

  ruling restricts shunning practiceshuman rights commissionruling restricts shunning practicesamish store ordered to serve ex-amishby bruce schreinerassociated press.

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  i think wednesday is on the right track. we went through this as "freaks"( remember the fabulous furry freak brothers?) in the 60's and 70's. you would go into a buisiness and they would tell you " we don't serve freaks like ya'll" and point to their always prominent we reserve the right sign and if you didn't leave you knew there was going to be a fight and you were more than likely going to jail. it wasn't fair, but it was. i have always felt that if you were "open to the public" that meant me and you and everyone else. we've lived in or traveled through some pretty remote places where not selling you gasoline or not selling you food just cannot be a legal option. and not doing business with you meant that you had to go elsewhere or make other arrangements. which made it a difficult to stay and easier to move kind of situation.
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  Convention release...192 page book..."Live with Jehovah's day in mind"

  by proandcon in

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  can anyone guess what this is a"thrilling" book is about.....the end is "here" (tm)...so be good so you can make it to the other side of armageddon per the wt, maybe...all the bs that fits in 192 pages...a copy and paste job for sure.... proandcon

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  without reading it...another 192 pages about being a good jew. not one page on being a good christian.