Posts by valkyrie

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Documents--Volume-1

by Atlantis in

also found here:

This is my current favourite quote from one of the linked documents ("Page numbers will not match your computer. Look for page numbers that are circled in scans;FADT 124 and FADT 125------takes a few seconds to download. http://www.aph.gov.au/hansard/joint/commttee/j2444.pdf "):

Excerpt of remarks made by Mr Vincent Joseph Toole, Legal Officer, Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Australia in response to a hearing before the (OMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA) Official Committee Hansard Joint Committee on Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade [Reference: Australia’s efforts to promote and protect freedom of religion and belief) on Friday, 15 October 1999

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"Mr Toole—I guess so, and I guess it is the same thing—you will disagree but yet you are the best of friends. That is the view we take. The fact that people do not necessarily share our particular understanding and they think, ‘Oh no, that is the not the way I want to believe it,’ is fine. We are really trying to educate people and teach tolerance. That really is getting at the very root cause of the problem. It is fanaticism that causes some of these problems, where people have a singular view that their way is right and woe betide anybody who disagrees with it. It gets to the stage, when you start having that elevated to a level of government, where you have a very dangerous situation because then you are only one step away from totalitarianism, where you have people in high places deciding what you can and cannot believe on a whole host of things.

Tying in with your question before about what should governments do, I would have thought in a free society that people should be able to have whatever beliefs they want unless they become detrimental or positively disruptive to society at large. The price we pay for a free society is to allow people to have whatever opinions they want, unless it gets to the stage where they are destroying the public order. Now, whether or not it is destroying the public order should be a matter for objective analysis, not a subjective, bigoted type of imposition of other people’s wills."

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How closely does your online personality match the REAL you?

by nicolaou in

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i think i come across as a bit agressive online but in reality i know i'm extremely chilled - lazy some might say.

i'm greek you see and we do so love to argue the toss - loudly and insistently - and then have a game of tavli (backgammon) afterwards.

thing is most of my family are still jw's and as i can't do it with them you guys end up getting both barrels!!.

valkyrie

Pedantic - both on- and off-line.

-V

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The best successfull Jw's lobbyist you've ever known

by chasson in

you want to know how jw could use the osce, the cesnur and the european court of human right successfully... .

translate this.

http://www.tj-encyclopedie.org/alain_garay .

valkyrie

There! I think that it all finally 'stuck'!

-V

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The best successfull Jw's lobbyist you've ever known

by chasson in

you want to know how jw could use the osce, the cesnur and the european court of human right successfully... .

translate this.

http://www.tj-encyclopedie.org/alain_garay .

valkyrie

Chasson,

Hmm... it's this silly thing with cut-and-paste on JWD: I've noticed that quite often some of the text is simply dropped from the published post. I'll try this again (in its entirety, in case something else 'falls off'). Thanks for pointing this out to me!

ALAIN GARAY-

French lawyer at the Court of Paris. An associate member of the Law and Religions Team of LIDEMS [Le Laboratoire Interdisciplinaire Droit et Mutations Sociales = The Interdisciplinary Laboratory of Law and Social Changes], he is also a Lay Master teacher of Cult Law [or, the Law and Non-Mainstream Religions] at the University of Aix-Marseille III. He is a French expert to the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in (the OSCE panel on the freedom of religion), and a member of the editorial committees of the Yearbook of Law and Religions and Conscience and Freedom. He is a member of the International Association for the Defense of Religious Freedom. He is the top French attorney for Jehovah’s Witnesses.

His activity as a lawyer is documented from 1988, when in a direct relationship with the French Bethel, through the AMS [l’Association Médico-Scientifique d’information et d’assistance du malade = the Medical-Scientific Association of Information and Assistance to the Ill] connection (he is the secretary of that association), he published a supplementary brochure in the bulletins of the OMS [Organization Mondiale de Santé = World Health Organisation] on the theme “Saving lives without violating consciences.” In 1990, still edited by the same association and directed by ’s medical counsel, he and Sabine Besson published “The Refusal of Blood Transfusions: Legal Aspects.” He remains in a close relationship with the international network of alternatives to transfusion, which was set up by the former French-Bethelites who founded AMS, and who have since regrouped within the LMS-Group and the Nata association – as is evidenced by the fact that the LMS-group is regularly entrusted to organise conferences of the associations, over which Alain Garay presides.

His work as a lawyer has led him to defend Jehovah’s Witnesses in matters relating to: the refusal of young Jehovah’s Witnesses to accept either military service or alternative service for conscientious objectors before 1995; child custody (1993); the financial affairs of Jehovah’s Witnesses in France (the taxation of tangible gifts); and their stances in regard to blood transfusions, especially before the European Commission and the Bulgarian blood issue (1998). Besides his work as an attorney, he actively takes a personal interest in the controversies raised by these issues. For example:

- He has written a book denouncing the anti-sect movement in France.

- He participates in discussion groups [questioned as a panel member] on the subject of Jehovah’s Witnesses even when he the subject is not within his brief; for example, on the subject of secrecy in religions in 2002, he developed the them of “secrecy in the organisation of Jehovah’s Witnesses.” More recently, on the subject of marriage in religions (2006), he addressed the question in the context of Jehovah’s Witnesses. He has also participated in a colloquium with religious sociologists concerning Jehovah’s Witnesses.

It is obvious, therefore, that the publication of his books and articles close follow the current judicial activities of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Until recently, it was difficult to find Master [Note: this is an honorific denoting his law degree and practice] Garay associated with any current clients besides Jehovah’s Witnesses.

The strategy of lobbying that was put into place by Alain Garay can be followed over the years. It is one of a simple lawyer among other Jehovah’s Witnesses, and acting through pseudo-official bodies of the religion – such as the AMS from 1988 to 1993. He takes the initiative in the Latin-American world to be at the creation of medical law associations that regularly deal with the subject of Jehovah’s Witnesses and transfusions. In ever-increasing concentric circles, his initiative moves from its genesis in Costa Rica to embrace, first, all of Latin America, then Spain (as of 1996). In conjunction with this, he has manifested notably increased activity against anti-sect movements in the years 1998 to 2000. This has resulted in his contributions at Cesnur [Centre d'études sur les nouvelles religions = the Center for Studies on New Religions], the CSCE [the Commission on Security and Cooperation in ], and the OSCE; his activities have also led to his rubbing shoulders with European authorities in order to defend [/represent] Jehovah’s Witnesses. Following his success with the endeavour in , as of 2000 he participates in the creation of French “national” associations for patients’ rights; these associations continue to attract interest in the medical and legal domains. Having good introductions [recommendations], he will succeed in shaping the training of new lower-court magistrates and journalists in matters concerning the right of non-mainstream religionsby making the University of Aix-Marseille his headquarters for the studies leading to the undergraduate diploma [degree] of Law of Religions and of Religious Associations.

So, in 2006 Alain Garay is an inescapable force: from a global point of view in the area of patient law and transfusions (as Vice-president of the worldwide association or transcontinental network of the LMS-Group); from European and global points of view in the matter of freedom of worship for religious minorities (for example, as an expert to the OSCE for example, and by reason of his participation in CESNUR at the CSCE); and nationally [in France] in the matter of the financial affairs of religious associations (for example, the taxation of tangible gifts to the association of Jehovah’s Witnesses), religious law (he is ‘on-call’ in case of a judicial inquiry into the role of secrecy amongst Jehovah’s Witnesses in, for example, the matter of pedophiles), medical law (for example, as brought by Patrick Pelloux and the ANDP [ Association Nationale des droits du Patient = National Association for the Rights of the Patient] into the area of medical emergencies). He is active in the education and training of future French elites in connection with the law of worship.

Regularly accused by the anti-sect movements of being a Jehovah’s Witness himself, Garay has never expressed himself on the subject; however, the beginning of his career leaves little doubt as to his membership in the organisation.

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The best successfull Jw's lobbyist you've ever known

by chasson in

you want to know how jw could use the osce, the cesnur and the european court of human right successfully... .

translate this.

http://www.tj-encyclopedie.org/alain_garay .

valkyrie

Chasson wrote:

Translate this.

http://www.tj-encyclopedie.org/Alain_Garay

This is a complete translation of that article (by Valkyrie) - notes and references excepted:

ALAIN GARAY-
French lawyer at the Court of Paris. An associate member of the Law and Religions Team of LIDEMS [Le Laboratoire Interdisciplinaire Droit et Mutations Sociales = The Interdisciplinary Laboratory of Law and Social Changes], he is also a Lay Master teacher of Cult Law [or, the Law and Non-Mainstream Religions] at the
His activity as a lawyer is documented from 1988, when in a direct relationship with the French Bethel, through the AMS [l’Association Médico-Scientifique d’information et d’assistance du malade = the Medical-Scientific Association of Information and Assistance to the Ill] connection (he is the secretary of that association), he published a supplementary brochure in the bulletins of the OMS [Organization Mondiale de Santé = World Health Organisation] on the theme “Saving lives without violating consciences.” In 1990, still edited by the same association and directed by ’s medical counsel, he and Sabine Besson published “The Refusal of Blood Transfusions: Legal Aspects.” He remains in a close relationship with the international network of alternatives to transfusion, which was set up by the former French-Bethelites who founded AMS, and who have since regrouped within the LMS-Group and the Nata association – as is evidenced by the fact that the LMS-group is regularly entrusted to organise conferences of the associations, over which Alain Garay presides.
His work as a lawyer has led him to defend Jehovah’s Witnesses in matters relating to: the refusal of young Jehovah’s Witnesses to accept either military service or alternative service for conscientious objectors before 1995; child custody (1993); the financial affairs of Jehovah’s Witnesses in France (the taxation of tangible gifts); and their stances in regard to blood transfusions, especially before the European Commission and the Bulgarian blood issue (1998). Besides his work as an attorney, he actively takes a personal interest in the controversies raised by these issues. For example:
- He has written a book denouncing the anti-sect movement in .
- He participates in discussion groups [questioned as a panel member] on the subject of Jehovah’s Witnesses even when he the subject is not within his brief; for example, on the subject of secrecy in religions in 2002, he developed the them of “secrecy in the organisation of Jehovah’s Witnesses.” More recently, on the subject of marriage in religions (2006), he addressed the question in the context of Jehovah’s Witnesses. He has also participated in a colloquium with religious sociologists concerning Jehovah’s Witnesses.
It is obvious, therefore, that the publication of his books and articles close follow the current judicial activities of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Until recently, it was difficult to find Master [Note: this is an honorific denoting his law degree and practice] Garay associated with any current clients besides Jehovah’s Witnesses.
The strategy of lobbying that was put into place by Alain Garay can be followed over the years. It is one of a simple lawyer among other Jehovah’s Witnesses, acting through pseudo-official bodies of the religion – such as the AMS from 1988 to 1993. He takes the initiative in the Latin-American world to be at the creation of medical law associations that regularly deal with the subject of Jehovah’s Witnesses and transfusions. In ever-increasing concentric circles, his initiative moves from its genesis in Costa Rica to embrace, first, all of Latin America, then Spain (as of 1996). In conjunction with this, he has manifested notably increased activity against anti-sect movements in the years 1998 to 2000. This has resulted in his contributions at Cesnur [Centre d'études sur les nouvelles religions = the Center for Studies on New Religions], the CSCE [the Commission on Security and Cooperation in ], and the OSCE; his activities have also led to his rubbing shoulders with European authorities in order to defend [/represent] Jehovah’s Witnesses. Following his success with the endeavour in , as of 2000 he participates in the creation of French “national” associations for patients’ rights; these associations continue to attract interest in the medical and legal domains. Having good introductions [recommendations], he will succeed in shaping the training of new lower-court magistrates and journalists in matters concerning the right of non-mainstream religionsby making the University of Aix-Marseille his headquarters for the studies leading to the undergraduate diploma [degree] of Law of Religions and of Religious Associations.
So, in 2006 Alain Garay is an inescapable force: from a global point of view in the area of patient law and transfusions (as Vice-president of the worldwide association or transcontinental network of the LMS-Group); from European and global points of view in the matter of freedom of worship for religious minorities (for example, as an expert to the OSCE for example, and by reason of his participation in CESNUR at the CSCE); and nationally [in France] in the matter of the financial affairs of religious associations (for example, the taxation of tangible gifts to the association of Jehovah’s Witnesses), religious law (he is ‘on-call’ in case of a judicial inquiry into the role of secrecy amongst Jehovah’s Witnesses in, for example, the matter of pedophiles), medical law (for example, as brought by Patrick Pelloux and the ANDP [ Association Nationale des droits du Patient = National Association for the Rights of the Patient] into the area of medical emergencies). He is active in the education and training of future French elites in connection with the law of worship.
Regularly accused by the anti-sect movements of being a Jehovah’s Witness himself, Garay has never expressed himself on the subject; however, the beginning of his career leaves little doubt as to his membership in the organisation.

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Foundation Contributions to Hurricane Disaster Relief as of 4/28/2006/!

by Atlantis in

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table 1: foundation contributions to hurricane disaster relief as of 4/28/2006 http://foundationcenter.org/pnd/hurricane/foundations.jhtml;jsessionid=oldbbpthwtd0xtqrsi4cgw15aaaaci2f new york community trust (ny) $1,531,080 community foundation of south alabama ($25,000), community foundation of greater birmingham ($25,000), heifer project international ($2,500), william j. clinton presidential foundation ($39,000), petsmart charities ($1,520), direct relief international ($500), americares foundation, inc. ($2,750), salvation army, connecticut ($3,750), acorn institute ($10,000), american red cross, national headquarters ($196,615), humane society of the united states ($2,200), salvation army, sarasota ($500), federation of southern cooperatives and land assistance fund ($500), habitat for humanity ($10,670), america's second harvest ($31,000), administrators of the tulane educational fund ($2,500), arcadiana arts council ($1,000), baton rouge area foundation ($74,425), community foundation of acadiana ($25,000), greater new orleans foundation ($50,750), louisiana disaster recovery foundation ($5,000), new orleans bar foundation ($87,000), southeast louisiana legal services ($50,000), southern mutual help association ($104,400), tipitina foundation ($600), hands on worlwide ($25,000), salvation army, boston ($100), american kidney fund, inc. ($500), catholic relief services of the u.s. catholic conference ($2,500), naccp ($100), community foundation of greater jackson ($25,800), enterprise corporation of the delta ($102,000), foundation for the mid south ($50,000), gulf coast community foundation ($28,000), sisters of charity of saint elizabeth ($20,000), a better chance, inc. ($500), american friends serivice committee, inc. ($25,000), american jewish committee ($5,000), american red cross in greater new york ($130,250), american red cross, nassau county chapter ($500), american red cross, westchester chapter ($50,000), american society for the prevention of cruelty to animals ($2,470), hhc foundation of new york city ($500), international rescue committee, inc. ($152,000), jewish center of hamptons ($500), ms. foundation for women ($5,000), new york regional association of grantmakers ($10,000), north shore - long island jewish health system foundation ($2,500), salvation army of grater new york ($34,750), twenty-first century foundation ($2,000), uja/federation of jewish philanthropies of new york ($3,030), union of american hebrew congregations ($10,000), united jewish communities ($250), united methodist church committee on relief ($5,000), watchtower bible & tract society of new york, inc. ($50,000), vanderbilt university ($25,000), united way of the texas gulf coast ($5,000), united negro college fund, inc. ($500), united way of america ($5,000), vermont public radio, inc. ($150)

valkyrie

Interesting item, Atlantis.

But, perhaps its significance will more easily be understood if the original column headings of the table (listing relief monies donor and recipient organisations) were carried over into this thread. [An attempt to attach document follows:]

Edited to add: upload was unproductive. Picture too small.

"New York Community Trust" is the donor foundation; "Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc." is one of the recipient organisations... to the tune of $50,000.

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Ok..How Can I Put This.....

by Legolas in

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ok... i remember ( or at least what i recall..lol) how god had always dealt with people in the bible...kinda like there was 'proof' of him for all those thousands of years...right?

....well how come nothing in the last nearly two thousand years?

if there was a god how come he let the bible get distorted and let all these religions start?

valkyrie

Well how come nothing in the last nearly two thousand years?
I mean what's up with that????

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The CO is coming and BOY is he loving!

by MinisterAmos in

i guess next week will mark the co visit at my congo.

should be loads of fun for all since last time he publicly humiliated and literally tongue lashed the yoots for dressing worldly and the moms for letting their children cry.. the 20 something guys had the audacity to wear flashy ties and dark shirts, the baby room was being used by a korean book study and it was raining outside.

wtf were the moms supposed to do with their kids when there was literally no place to put them.. something that i found very interesting was that i was exempt from the flashy tie and dark shirt thing even though i made it a point to stand in front of him and take off my coat while discussing the down pour after the meeting.

valkyrie

Blondie (quoted):

From the August 22, 1967 Awake (p27). (...)

Ahh..., well at least he wasn't talking 1off the top of his head'!

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The CO is coming and BOY is he loving!

by MinisterAmos in

i guess next week will mark the co visit at my congo.

should be loads of fun for all since last time he publicly humiliated and literally tongue lashed the yoots for dressing worldly and the moms for letting their children cry.. the 20 something guys had the audacity to wear flashy ties and dark shirts, the baby room was being used by a korean book study and it was raining outside.

wtf were the moms supposed to do with their kids when there was literally no place to put them.. something that i found very interesting was that i was exempt from the flashy tie and dark shirt thing even though i made it a point to stand in front of him and take off my coat while discussing the down pour after the meeting.

valkyrie

Some memorable CO statements:

1. In an ideal world, siblings (brother with sister) would marry each other; no one knows one as well as one's own littermates. Same upbringing, same mindset and years of familiarity before the onset of lust-hormones would create the perfect partners for a lifetime's companionship.

2. Physiology instructs us that the man is more intelligent than the woman: after all, men have a larger 'cranial capacity' [imagine this spoken with very sharp "c's," an eerily sibilant "s," and a staccato rhythm] than woman; and a larger brain, of course, infers (and confers) superior intellectual power.

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Is anyone there from the U.S. state of...

by valkyrie in

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florida, and know an elder(?

) by the name of phil wilson (and his family)?

i believe that they are originally from the midwest section of the country.. thanks!.

valkyrie

btt...