i know of 1 fer ser...my 18 old nephew who has terrorised his cousins for years( since he was 12) one niece is in therapy, the other was only groped, so she has worked thru it pretty well. i just found this out today!!
my jdub sister( boys aunt) says he is a monster and belongs in jail..not sure of this kids standing..but he attends meetings. his mother is in complete denial..long sad story.....
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POLL - Elders vs Molesters
by Amazing ini wish to conduct a legitimate poll, or at least as legitimate as it can get on this forum.
unless you are or were a jw, please do not respond or make comments.
please simply give an answer, without extended comments.
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The Name Jehovah
by ruffian inplease can someone shed light on the claim that when the bible was originaly written it had the name jehovah in it over 7000 times but it was changed because of superstition?
how do you dispute it?
exactly where did they get that crazy version of their bible anyway?
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there is a great little booklet i got from randy over at "freeminds.org". it deals with this very subject...it's called " afield service encounter" the publisher is "word resources, inc."
i started to read it again just today. if memory serves , the YHWH was found in the greek scriptures only when the writer was quoting the old test.
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ME!!!!! :)
by SashaofNH ini have been snooping for about 2 months and i just love this place!
i was jw.....now i am not.
i was very interested in the "why do ex jws become athiest" for i was there too when i left the jw "faith".
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hey sasha of nh..i'm a vermonter born and raised!!! got jw family in nh....campton cong and wolfboro
welcome!!!! this place is a really kewl site.....
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I getting bored with this Board
by OlderTom ini'm just wondering if it is because i have changed and have gained my freedom from the watchtower enslavement or i just don't care anymore or is it that i have been exposed to too much of the same old complaints about the borg and all the false prophecies and the lies?.
i must admit i still get pleasure from reports of the watchtower walls starting to crumble al over the civilized world so i guess i'll continue to pop in from time to time.. as far as trying to de-program and rescue the poor unfortunate brainnumbed watchtower slaves, i think it's a total waste of time after all how do get through to people who prefer to believe in the lies when they know they are lies but they just don't want to see the real truth about the "truth(tm)".
i gues they don't want to see the real truth because it would force them to start thinking for them selves again and for some people that is just too much of a burden to bear.
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amzing
keep up the good work..i enjoy your series
fred hall....you are a boar(bore; bhore;boor)
i have family still "in" i would love them out. i was out along while before i got the 'net'. when i started to read and research i was so glad that i made my way out with little assurance it was the right thing..what a relief to know i was learning the real "truth" at last -
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Joyce Meyer and the nature of God
by Mommie Dark inafter i left the wt, i spent years isolated, dealing with the effects of my ethical dilemma on my own.
i pondered the nature of god and my place in his scheme of things, assuming, childishly, that such a scheme existed.
i prayed.
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i like her too. she's a been there -done that- so i know- kinda gal.tuff as tripe, but i respect her cuz she tells it like it is. as far as selling books and tapes...why not? she's gotta eat too. at least she's not making it look like God is her banker and can do all this teaching and traveling backed by "donations"funneled into one big org.
she's probably the one person i would trust as far as "BIG_NAMES' go, the other evangilists leave me wondering.
have you ever listened to her tapes about before she was a christain?
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read this.....freaky!!!!
by crittersitter inthe jehovah's witnesses going crazy?.
the grim discovery of 39 bodies in a san diego mansion highlights sharp similarities between the heaven's gate cult and another sect widely regarded as a mainstream religion.
not far from this death scene stands a similar tile-roofed mansion named beth-shan built by the watchtower organization, better known as jehovah's witnesses.
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The Jehovah's Witnesses Going Crazy?
The grim discovery of 39 bodies in a San Diego mansion highlights sharp similarities between the Heaven's Gate cult and another sect widely regarded as a mainstream religion. Not far from this death scene stands a similar tile-roofed mansion named Beth-Shan built by the Watchtower organization, better known as Jehovah's Witnesses. Could the Jehovah's Witnesses do anything that desperate? They could - no doubt about it!
Kent Steinhaug
Today this was posted on a message board:
This morning I arrived at my secular work and when I opened my mailbox I had an email (see underneath) from an unidentified person.
First of all what I read in the message I do not like at all. Second of all it was only send to me and I really have no idea who the person is; where he is from and where he got my e-mail address??Did anyone else received a message like this or what do I have to do with it??
The message send by the unidentified person (I only have his/her e-mail address ( [email protected])):
Dear Brother or Sister:
I haven't been in very close touch for several years now, and have been curious as to what the thinking currently is on where we are in the stream of time, and especially if it's beginning to be believed that Jehovah's people will ultimately have to take an active role in bringing about the fulfillment of Jehovah's purposes. It's great to find that what I want to know is easily accessible here on-line.I recall hearing various discussions on just about every detail of every subject imaginable. Most of what was believed gave me something to look forward to. But what eventually caused me to drift away were those who claimed that God's true people might have to engage in some violence to help Him carry out His purposes, just as his Chosen People the Jews had had to. I just couldn't believe that it could be necessary.
But with all that has gone on in the world in the past several years, it seems that they may have been right. So it makes sense that the Governing Body was completely replaced a little over a year and a half ago. Perhaps the new leaders will vote in such a way that the direction will be given to help put it all in motion. Many may balk--but the years of blind obedience to whatever the Faithful and Discreet Slave has decreed will prove to be advantageous. Believe one thing today, and its opposite next week--perfect training for Jehovah's people to be able to do what otherwise might be difficult.
It won't be easy to take a knife and go out and kill several of your favorite family or acquaintances. But of all the various possibilities that I heard entertained by various Elders and Overseers those years ago, that one seems most in line with Bible prophecy. No goats--that is, those who are not sheep, but who are against The Truth--will survive Armageddon. They will be destroyed forever, with no chance for a resurrection. But if they are already dead when Armageddon comes, then they will have a chance.
The other prophecy which such action will help to fulfill is that of preaching the good news of the Kingdom to everyone before the end comes. Most people in the U.S. have heard of Jehovah's people--but sadly, all that the vast majority know is that they go door to door pushing their religion. Most people know very little about that True Religion--instead, they are filled with the lies they have been told. But when the Faithful begin to slaughter the unclean peoples, it will be widely reported in the newspapers and on TV, and will give Jehovah's people the opportunity at last to declare the Good News about the Kingdom. The goats will then have their last chance to join the Great Crowd. Sadly, however, most will attempt instead to destroy God's people, which will then bring destruction upon them.
This idea that Jehovah's people should begin Armageddon has no doubt been prevalent in other countries for years, where such slaughter of their enemies has been going on forever. But, sadly, in the U.S. people have become a bit squeamish when it comes to the reality of what must transpire. Apparently the Faithful and True servant has felt it necessary to keep such ideas from the ministers who are working so hard to spread the good news. And, no doubt, they have been wise to do so, wanting to wait until the time is right. Maybe until the one-millionth Witness is dedicated and baptized?
But it needs to happen soon, as various elements within the Organization have taken on many very worldly characteristics. The lust for power and money has consumed many. Sadly that has been an outgrowth of teaming with Jimmy Swaggert in the fight against the IRS in the early 1990s. But something had to be done. It would have been much easier to let each individual publisher be responsible for his or her own taxes--but then some control would have been relinquished, and that cannot be allowed to happen until after Armageddon. The end really does justify the means.
Another reason that it needs to happen soon is that rumblings are being heard about possible class-action lawsuits being filed against various groups of Elders. The recent and current crop of lawsuits concerning harboring of pedophiles is but the tip of the iceberg. Enough money has been set aside to settle those claims. But if ten thousand disfellowshipped and/or disassociated ones come forward as a class and demand justice and restitution for invasion of their privacies and for lewd questions being asked concerning their immoral acts, it could bankrupt the Society. "Loose lips sink ships", and there may be enough people who have overheard various comments about various Elders enjoying "listening to the girls" or "hearing the stories of the boys" to begin to realize what they mean. And, obviously, many have gone beyond merely listening or looking. The warning to those young people that if they tell they will be destroyed has worked so far--but their numbers are seemingly about to reach a critical mass.
And it is the Society's obsession with record-keeping which could be their undoing, just as it was for the Nazis after World War Two. Records have been kept of all those who were disfellowshipped and disassociated, the reasons why (mostly for immorality, no doubt), and the elders involved. In any class-action lawsuit, company records are subpoenaed so that potential members of the class may be contacted and given the opportunity to join the class. Perhaps someone needs to begin thinking about destroying some of those records.
The repression of the natural sexual urges of adolescents is a very dangerous business. The energy thus harnessed can, if channeled properly, be put to many very productive uses. But, unfortunately, those repressed adolescents grow up to be repressed adults (adults, at least, in body) who then take advantage of their positions of trust so that their own sexual fantasies may be fulfilled. The energy thus produced is very difficult to control. So it is that no doubt the Governing Body is planning to direct the final channeling of that energy.
How will it happen? I imagine a simple announcement in The Watchtower stating: "Look for an extremely important announcement in the Watchtower six weeks hence. New understandings give no doubt that the end of the wicked system of things is very near indeed." Then the announcement, eagerly awaited, will be made--but the magazines will not be mailed out. Instead, they will be hand-delivered by trusted servants only to every Kingdom Hall for study on that Sunday. And the exciting news will be given: "You will personally help to bring about the fulfillment of Jehovah's purposes". Events will happen very quickly. Even if only half of the million Witnesses fulfill their obligation to kill two or three unbelievers, over a million dead will certainly get the attention of Satan's governments and His handmaiden Christendom. They will attempt to destroy you, but Jehovah will save you.
Or so you believe. Will you have the courage to act when action is decreed necessary, or will you ultimately be shown not to believe that which you have been preaching for over 100 years?
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When things started to "fall off"
by comment ini was thinking about this in several areas today.. 1) district conventions and house-to-house work.
if you were a witness for a long time, you probably remember a time when going to the conventions seemed perfectly "normal" to you: it was absolutely "the thing" to sit in a sports arena all day listening to bible talks and counsel from men in suits.. but at some point, did you ever start to feel like you were participating in a cultural relic, so to speak?.
as in, "here it is, the 1990's, and the society is still using fundamentally the same old format they've been using all century long.
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i've started reading the book "30 years a watchtower slave" again , just to review some older facts. the door to door work was actually a method of increasing sales as opposed to subscriptions, i understand rutherford devised this campaign along with faithful cronies.
this book is full of interesting info...
the so called "kingdom publisher"...the slaves to the borg keep sludging along, rapping their knuckles in a sad attempt at "worship"
because they were told this is what god wanted
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Convention is over! (sigh of relief)
by biblexaminer inwhat made me the most ill at the district convention.
the public talk had to be it.
although the drama was a close second.
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will this "blood bath" have any affect on the lower class rank and file jw's? i'm hoping the the wtbs will get blown out of the water as far as the lies and deciet are concerned. or will the r&f just blindly keep on trudging along?
i would like for these things to be so blatant and clear that even the most ignorant of followers will have no doubts as to the "truth"
of these evil hypocrites at headquaters.
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JW's & The Clergy
by Outaservice inafter i left the organization one of the things that surprised me most was the clergy of christendom's view of jehovah's witnesses.
i thought we were the 'center' of their attention, and they not only hated us, but were afraid of all the things we published about them.. nothing could have been farther from the truth!
most ministers hardly knew anything about witnesses.
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yah, i thought the same thing too. that all those evil religions hated jw's out there.HA....when i started going to church and told people i was raised a jw, i got very little response aside from " oh really?"
i have to laugh, i thought i would at least get more sympathy from them. but most do not even know what they teach or believe. so when i told them about the stuff like no birthdays, xmas, etc....that suprised some.
i think the so called" persecution" is like media hype. antagonise who you have to , get them pissed off at jw's, throw the jw's in jail or whatever..."see...we are hated because we are jehovah's chosen ppl"..........
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What Would You Say Is a True Wittness?
by Big Jim indid you ever read in the scriptures where christ told his followers to meet at a certain time to go and witness?.
did you ever hear christ tell his followers to count there time?.
better yet did christ ever have regular meetings to attend?.
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godknows....so true what u said. made me feel better
and rethink some of my not so loving reactions
thanx
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