One more question in general to those who spoke of free will. Is Cancer free will?
beksbks
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OK believers, time to put up or shut up...
by Gregor inapparently, a large percentage of xjw's who post on this site have embraced some other form of god/jesus belief to replace the wt doctrine.
most of them fall into the "i accept the lord jesus christ as my personal savior" class.
they are still extremely attached to the old "forgiveness of sin through the shed blood of jc" line.
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OK believers, time to put up or shut up...
by Gregor inapparently, a large percentage of xjw's who post on this site have embraced some other form of god/jesus belief to replace the wt doctrine.
most of them fall into the "i accept the lord jesus christ as my personal savior" class.
they are still extremely attached to the old "forgiveness of sin through the shed blood of jc" line.
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beksbks
Look Auld, I don't pretend to be a scholar. I'm just a gal who is by nature curious, and also quite soft hearted. I post my opinions with either humor, or passion. You appear to be sparring, looking for the intellectual upper hand.
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OK believers, time to put up or shut up...
by Gregor inapparently, a large percentage of xjw's who post on this site have embraced some other form of god/jesus belief to replace the wt doctrine.
most of them fall into the "i accept the lord jesus christ as my personal savior" class.
they are still extremely attached to the old "forgiveness of sin through the shed blood of jc" line.
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beksbks
So...just so we are clear...what discoveries were you referring to that were made by scientists who are non-believers?
Again, I never mentioned specific discoveries or scientists, beievers or not.
I daresay you would react strongly if I classified you in broadly general terms as nothing more than a hopeless, purposeless captive to the experiments of your genetic code
This reminds me of an experience I once had. I would never want to try to talk someone out of their beliefs. When I left the JWs, I was determined to say nothing to them when they came to my door, other than "no thank you, I'm not interested". But as you know, that is unacceptable to them. I finally began to realize, that this religion is harmful, and if they cared to press the issue then I have a right to express my opinion. I went round and round with a CO that came to my door one day, and finally in complete frustration, he stepped back pointed his finger at me, and said "You know what I think of when I talk to people like you? YOU HAVE NO HOPE!?" I had never raised my voice, and had said no thank you several times (actually a couple of kids were there first, and when they heard I was an ex, they ran and got this guy). I had merely quoted from HIS bible, and pointed out my concerns with the JWs. This man became so upset and frustrated that I was using his own training against him, that he basically, angrily, resigned me to eternal death. To me that is a perfect example of christian "love". Why was he so anxious to save me? Because he was such a good kind loving person? Or because he enjoys his perception of superiority?
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OK believers, time to put up or shut up...
by Gregor inapparently, a large percentage of xjw's who post on this site have embraced some other form of god/jesus belief to replace the wt doctrine.
most of them fall into the "i accept the lord jesus christ as my personal savior" class.
they are still extremely attached to the old "forgiveness of sin through the shed blood of jc" line.
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beksbks
I'd like to address a couple of comments from the first several pages of this thread. Sorry, I am unwilling to go back through for specifics, as it's been a few days, and many more pages. As to the idea put forth, that there is no real morality without belief, I disagree. Moral principals or rules of conduct can certainly be agreed upon without the belief in god. As a matter of fact, I tend to think that Unbelievers’ are actually the more virtuous folks, because their decency is not based on fear of punishment, nor desire for a reward. That is christianity in a nutshell. It's not about being good for the sake of being good, it's about fear of hell, or hope of heaven.
Second, this entire thread is just that, one thread. What if I, as a non believer, peppered my daily conversation, say posts, with references to evolution and atheism? The christians would surely have posted an equivalent thread long ago. But because christianity is generally accepted, and also generally accepted as "good" we non believers will hear references to the lord and his grace everywhere we turn, and be expected to actually appreciate it.
Auldsoul,
Apparently professor, you did not realize that my comments were directly related to an earlier post.
"give yourself" to God. It sounds primitive, and it can be, but I think it`s also beautiful.
Therein lies one of my beefs with christians. This idea takes personal responsibility out of the equation. Just believe, just have faith, and god will take care of the rest. I'm so glad there are scientists and researchers out there, that were unable to take this path. Look at the progresses we have made in medicine alone. Yes, we have also managed to discover/create plenty of harmful things too, but as we move along, we learn how to address that as well. Or we will, when the Bush administration endsMy point was that when you "Let go and let god" you are essentially bowing out of this world and the responsibility to try to take care of it and its inhabitants. There have been many scientific breakthroughs other than the enormous ones you refer to. I cannot argue the god worship that those scientists participated in; I've never thought to ask. You might at least thank me, for giving you the opportunity to see yourself talk.
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OK believers, time to put up or shut up...
by Gregor inapparently, a large percentage of xjw's who post on this site have embraced some other form of god/jesus belief to replace the wt doctrine.
most of them fall into the "i accept the lord jesus christ as my personal savior" class.
they are still extremely attached to the old "forgiveness of sin through the shed blood of jc" line.
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beksbks
Excellent motto Lil
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OK believers, time to put up or shut up...
by Gregor inapparently, a large percentage of xjw's who post on this site have embraced some other form of god/jesus belief to replace the wt doctrine.
most of them fall into the "i accept the lord jesus christ as my personal savior" class.
they are still extremely attached to the old "forgiveness of sin through the shed blood of jc" line.
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beksbks
You said it Crumpet! In fact, you said it twice
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OK believers, time to put up or shut up...
by Gregor inapparently, a large percentage of xjw's who post on this site have embraced some other form of god/jesus belief to replace the wt doctrine.
most of them fall into the "i accept the lord jesus christ as my personal savior" class.
they are still extremely attached to the old "forgiveness of sin through the shed blood of jc" line.
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beksbks
"give yourself" to God. It sounds primitive, and it can be, but I think it`s also beautiful.
Therein lies one of my beefs with christians. This idea takes personal responsibility out of the equation. Just believe, just have faith, and god will take care of the rest. I'm so glad there are scientists and researchers out there, that were unable to take this path. Look at the progresses we have made in medicine alone. Yes, we have also managed to discover/create plenty of harmful things too, but as we move along, we learn how to address that as well. Or we will, when the Bush administration ends
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During the assembly did you ever notice ... ???
by The_Replacement ingrowing up as a kid in the 70's (and early 80's), did you ever notice at the assembly that there was always someone who had a tape recorder on stage and was taping the whole assembly.
are these tapes around today, generally i would love to hear some talks that were given before 1975 and see how many brothers said something big was going to happen, because we all know the watchtower never said that !!!
(yeah right).. any websites that might have a few of these or other interesting topics ???.
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beksbks
Dude! The girls probably thought what a sweet theocratic boy you were, and the moms.......................oy!
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OK believers, time to put up or shut up...
by Gregor inapparently, a large percentage of xjw's who post on this site have embraced some other form of god/jesus belief to replace the wt doctrine.
most of them fall into the "i accept the lord jesus christ as my personal savior" class.
they are still extremely attached to the old "forgiveness of sin through the shed blood of jc" line.
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beksbks
Love and obedience is priceless, because they are freely given, and not the automatic response due to programing.
Who equates love with obediance?? Or the demand of it?
Grace: Unmerited divine assistance.
So, if unmerited, acceptance of jesus should not be a prerequisite?
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During the assembly did you ever notice ... ???
by The_Replacement ingrowing up as a kid in the 70's (and early 80's), did you ever notice at the assembly that there was always someone who had a tape recorder on stage and was taping the whole assembly.
are these tapes around today, generally i would love to hear some talks that were given before 1975 and see how many brothers said something big was going to happen, because we all know the watchtower never said that !!!
(yeah right).. any websites that might have a few of these or other interesting topics ???.
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beksbks
Heck ya! I remember cruising the circle, checking out all the boys. Praise Jehobah I didn't get hooked up with one!