i took this test some months ago and got a score of 37. i retook it today and only got a 22!
i didn't think i changed much, but i guess i did.
here's the test link:.
I took this test some months ago and got a score of 37. I retook it today and only got a 22! I didn't think I changed much, but I guess I did. Here's the test link:
. http://www.beliefnet.com/section/quiz/index.asp?sectionID=&surveyID=27/
Go therefore and baptize the people in the name of the father and of the son... what the hell, we just need to bring up the yearbook numbers!
my name is mike.
i am from houston texas, and i am 29 years of age.
i've been reading these message boards for about a year now and i figured it was time to post my story... me: i was raised in the jw religion, and attended meetings until about age 12. i stopped attending after my grandmother passed away from cancer.
Hey Rip76, welcome!
You said:
I think God gave us the bible and the 10 comandments to follow. Follow the 10 comandments, I think you will be OK.. I always wonder if God is saying to himself "Man you people are taking this way to serious." It's all in the Ten Comandments.Now, I may not be the bible's No.1 fan, but I do remember enough to know that Christains actually only now hold the first 2 commandments. Remember when the Pharassies had ask Jesus what was the greatest command?
Congrats on your impending marriage, enjoy your final moments of freedom (but not too much, of course ). The best thing to teach your children is that they should be openminded; they should treat each human with respect and not dislike someone just because their views are different. Humanity is great because of the variety of ideas that come forth from our minds, history shows that the stagnation of ideas results for the retardation of civilization. Respect your kids humanity and teach him to respect others and you'll probably have a well adjusted kid (i.e. not a JW ).
What has your religious path been since leaving the JW's? Have you joined another church or are you a "free lance" christain? Is your aversion to joining a religion where you have to "wear a cross around your neck" purely the result of your JW upbringing or have you had other bad religious experiences?
Go therefore and baptize the people in the name of the father and of the son... what the hell, we just need to bring up the yearbook numbers!
*** w64 11/15 682-3 employment and your conscience ***.
some doctors who are jehovahs witnesses have administered blood transfusions to persons of the world upon request.
however, they do not do so in the case of one of jehovahs dedicated witnesses.
collegegirl said:
All I know is that I would have to give blood(to animals) and that many in my family have asked me how i would deal with it....
You'd be giving blood transfusions to animals. Last time I checked, the bible didn't make any rules banning blood transfusions for animals (or humans for that matter), so the whole point is moot. What would happen to a dog if it got a transfusion, draw the wrath of God? Would a dog in a Witness family get dissfellowshiped ? Just tell your family that the bible was written for people, not animals, so there's nothing wrong with it (if you're really brave, maybe you'll bring up the blood issue for Witnesses. Of course, that depends on how "theocratic" your family is. )
I always found this quite strange Pureheart. You could have gone to jail for doing non- military service prior to the late 90's, but doing transfusions are just fine. How consistent.
Go therefore and baptize the people in the name of the father and of the son... what the hell, we just need to bring up the yearbook numbers!
just wanted to find out how the x-jw community views eating food containing blood.
have any of you eaten foods like black pudding since leaving the jw's?
are you still apprehensive about eating products with blood?
Just wanted to find out how the X-JW community views eating food containing blood. Have any of you eaten foods like black pudding since leaving the JW's? Are you still apprehensive about eating products with blood? Have you eaten something with blood and liked it/ disliked it? Did it taste like any food you had eaten before?
I've never eaten any foods with blood, but I have no objections to it. Since the bible talks against "eating blood", do you x-JW christains abstain from food with blood on those grounds? Looking foward to responses.
Go therefore and baptize the people in the name of the father and of the son... what the hell, we just need to bring up the yearbook numbers!
the link below leads to a webpage for a play entitled it's not too late: a christian drama/musical inspired by the columbine tragedy.. here is the synopsis of the play:.
the story takes place during one day at a high school.. .
mr. brooks is the custodian of the high school.
Dickelentz said:
God gave Adam and Eve freewill. He could have created them robots, but instead gave them a choice. They chose not to trust God in the only area he put restrictions on. The consequence was that they lost that personal and intimate relationship God wanted to have with them.
This is one of the more brain dead arguments that theist trot out, because without it God would be evil for allowing badness. However, "passing the buck" to humans simply isn't fair. God only wants us to behave a certain way, but yet he designed us with the proclivity to act another way. If I wanted my kids to eat healthy foods, I would try to ensure that I provided an environment that is conducive to them eating healthy. I would only buy and serve healthy foods to my kids as I know this would be best for them. Would my not providing them with junk food alternatives infringe on their "free will" or make them into "robots"? In the context of healthy eating, maybe yes, but if the alternative of eating junkfood would kill them (like disobeying God does), then does that not make me justified? If God knows that giving us "free will" would result in our destruction, then he's just as evil as the parent who allows the kid to eat junk food and die.
The free will is only "free" if there are no adverse consequences for picking one or another chioce. It's "free will" to pick an apple or orange to assuage hunger. It's not "free will" to pick between an apple and a stone for the same purposes, and you're not being a "robot" for picking the only viable option.
In the "worship God" vs. "don't worship God" scenario, there's only one viable option according to the bible, since the "don't worship God" option results in eternal destruction. The presence of a non viable option doesn't denote the presence of "free-will". If your father told you "you either choose to become a plummer as a profession (worship God) or I will kill you." You're free to choose either to become a plummer or not, but is it really "free will" to not become a plummer(let's presume the father can follow through on his threat)? Of course not.
So God giving us free will only gave us the "ability to mess up" because his true purpose is to make us "robots" anyway, because he only wants us to do as he says. If God respected our free will to worship him or not, that would be one thing, and that would truly be "free will" as there are equal consequences for an action (worshipping God). But since God only wants us to do one thing anyway, the invention of "free will" is only something that can mess us up, something only an evil parent would do.
If you try to say free will is the only way God would know if we love him or not, then he should save himself the time and only create creatures with minds that want to love him, since that's what he wants anyway. Eternally punishing people because they don't believe in a historically inaccurate and sometimes cruel book, and hence don't want to love that deity, is pure evil on God's part. He already knew before I was born that I would/would not worship him, so he obviously likes to see people suffer.
Go therefore and baptize the people in the name of the father and of the son... what the hell, we just need to bring up the yearbook numbers!
i remmeber it being said at mettings that if we didn't do the preaching work then the "stones would cry out".. carn't rememeber where it's from or whether it's a society teaching.. any one remember?
Yeah, it was something that was said in the scriptures (forgot which one), though I doubt Jesus meant for it to be taken literally (did this guy ever say anything unambiguous? )
Arie said:
I remember something about the stones. I should have just let the stones go door to door.I sometimes think the same thing. People might be more responsive to the "kingdom message" if stones spoke to them, because they sure aren't listening now.
Go therefore and baptize the people in the name of the father and of the son... what the hell, we just need to bring up the yearbook numbers!
well to those who have decided not to leave.... in thirteen more days i will be married.
jessica and her daughter have moved their belongings to my house.
the final plans are being made regarding our wedding party.
Congratulations Jayhawk.
I hope all goes well for you and your soon to be wife. You guys sound very much in love.
Just make sure you stay just as happy when Kansas gets beat by Florida in the Sweet Sixteen . It's not your fault that your team always chokes at tourney time, but I'm sure nothing can damper your wedding day anyway . Congrats again.
Go therefore and baptize the people in the name of the father and of the son... what the hell, we just need to bring up the yearbook numbers!
why were you a jw for so long?
what positive thing kept you in?
or was it negative?
Collegegirl:
Transfer after your junior year? Pretty good plan. I seriously considered applying to a pretty good out of state school, where I was pretty sure I'd be accepted(based on my grades and SAT's) and would have gotten a pretty good financial aid package (mostly grants ) if I had applied. Hell, they sent me an application package with a letter personally[i/] signed by the admissions director [i]urging me to apply. However, my parents flatly refused to allow me to apply . They would only be ok with college if I went to one where I could commute. They thought "worldly influences" would be bad for me (guess they didn't think of the library or the internet ). However, I enjoy my current school so much (involved in several "untheocratic" extra carricular school clubs, and even gave blood last year after 9/11), I don't want to transfer now, so I'll just tough it out.
Careerwise, I want to follow in my hero's foot steps, JF Rutherford (kidding, of course), and become a lawyer. About the same amount of schooling as you, but I think a year less.
mar.
11, 01:00 edt .
father shunned by family for defying faith to save child.. carol harrington.
10 years from now when the blood policy is totally different due to whatever "new light" Brooklyn can cook up, not only will the girl and her family be totally happy for her father's "evil" decision (I sure hope the girl survives this), but they'll realize how close they came to killing their child, due to the misinformed decision of some half senile GB members, and how inhumane and unreasonable otherwise kind hearted people can act when they allow themselves to be demagouged.
Reading this thread made me happy, angry & sad. The father is obviously a very wise man who deserves to be praised for his actions. His love for his daughter has caused him to "see the light" so to speak, and provided she survives this, she'll no doubt be extremely grateful for her father's sage & kind decision.
According to the girl's lawyer, when she is taken to the operating room for a transfusion, she uses what little strength she has to resist.Sad. Can the girl even fully understand what she is fighting for? Can she explain how getting a blood transfusion is "eating blood"? Does she even know that such a technicality exist? I feel very sorry (in addition to happy) for this girl, as no doubt her JW indoctrination has her thinking that Jehovah will zap her to bits at Armageddon if she doesn't put up some resistance to the inevitable (a la the "old light" on rape). It just goes to show you the all too powerful effects of indoctrination.
The girl lawyer (potential excutioner) said:
"They semi-sedate her, hold her down on the bed and they give the blood transfusion," said David Gnam, whose Ontario law firm in Georgetown, works primarily for the Jehovah's Witnesses. "She's not trying to die. She would like treatment that would respect her wishes."Is she informed enough to make such a decision, or is she threatened with eternal death for lack of cooperation? I'm always tickled when I hear of "informed decisions" by JW's, as free thinking and conscience decisions (like the girl's father's) aren't respected. Could she have really had an alternate opinion? What would have been the consequences? If all things were equal, would she really have the same thoughts on the blood issue? Would her family members (save for her father) have the same thoughts? What the lawyer should have said is : "She would like treatment that she has been indoctrinated and pressured to believe is her wishes." Is the lawyer a JW? Wouldn't be surprising.
"When I made the decision with a clear conscience, I went into my daughter's hospital room. My whole family was there, and I told them about my decision, saying: `No matter what happens with this case, I still love you, each and every one of you.'Truly pitiful what the Society can do to people. I really hope this all works out in the end (though I will not hold my breath) with the man and his family. That's probably the indoctrination and not themselves speaking (I'm sure the elders have been great "support"). The daughter seems a bit confused (she actually speaks to her dad, who she should view as the Devil incarnate), so that's good."And their reply, each of them, was: `We hate you and we'll never speak to you again'."
Yet another reason why the Watchtower Society is no good.
Go therefore and baptize the people in the name of the father and of the son... what the hell, we just need to bring up the yearbook numbers!
why were you a jw for so long?
what positive thing kept you in?
or was it negative?
I concur with collegegirl on being happy with college (I'm also 19). If I had decided to be a "good JW", shun college to become a pioneer, and one day when I was 35 realized that my entire life was built upon a lie, I don't even want to know how pissed I'd be. College is a much better investment of my time than any JW related alternative.
If I lived in a perfect world, I would have left a good many months ago, as going to meeting is such a chore for me now. But with the majority of my family on both sides being JW's, including everyone in my house, I suspect staying in untill I can move out, hopefully shortly after college, is probably the best way for me to go. I'm worried some of my more "hardcore" JW relatives might look askance to me when I leave, but I doubt even them would totally shun me. I know my parents would always love me no matter what, but I also know how severely dissapointed they would be if I decided leave (the possible guilt trips that every mother executes so good ), so I think our relationship would be too strained if we lived under the same roof, but much better if we didn't have to see each other everyday.
Hey collegegirl, you already got a major?
Go therefore and baptize the people in the name of the father and of the son... what the hell, we just need to bring up the yearbook numbers!
