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  Eve and the apostate

  by peggy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  jehovah allowed eve to be tested.

  she listened to satans words and made a choice to eat from the fruit.

  why doesn't the org.

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  The question is not about mans free will and choice it's about numbers.
  
  The more people find out that this is not Gods Org. the more people leave. That's not good for any corporation. If the number of subsrcibers to Vodafone goes below a certain number then that corporations surival comes in the balance.
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  How much JW love is enough?

  by Spectrum in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've noticed over my short time on the forum that one of the indictments levied against the jws is the lack of brotherly/sisterly love that they extend to the follow jw.

  i remember my first congregation (i was about 14/15).

  of the nearly 200 people there i was only ever invited to two brother's homes over a 2 year period.

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  I've noticed over my short time on the forum that one of the indictments levied against the JWs is the lack of brotherly/sisterly love that they extend to the follow JW.
  I remember my first congregation (I was about 14/15). Of the nearly 200 people there I was only ever invited to two brother's homes over a 2 year period. My family and I were of a friendly disposition and can't tell how many of them we would invite round for dinner parties. I didn't realise how hard my mother worked to provide at these parties until years later when I tried throwing a party of my own. My mother saw it as Christian togetherness.
  In the end I gave up on that congregation and went somewhere else. The situation in the second congregation was worse. I gave it about a year and stopped going. I don't think they noticed!!
  Of course I was looking for friendship and acceptance since I had no one else to associate with apart from the dubs which made my need for acceptance by them even more necessary. Years of association and mind setting had made me socially inept outside of the JWs.
  Luckily over the years I was able to find decent friends from college and Uni.
  The question is, was the love and acceptance that I was seeking too much of a burden on people that weren't real close family members?
  Was I just too sensitive and over-doing it?
  If the answers are YES then what is this brotherly love that JWs talk about?
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  What do you believe in now?

  by YoSista in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am discovering a whole new way of life and thinking now that i have left the *truth*.

  part of me still believes in some of the teachings, i just don't agree with the organization, its difficult to find amiddle ground, i just wondered what some of you have decided on, what your beleif system is now?

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  Rutherford - Who Is He? - Press Comments

  by VM44 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  rutherford gave a lecture in 1915 on the subject "where are the dead".

  here is the text from the flyer advertising the lecture.

  subject: .

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  Spectrum

  He must have been making a lot of sense to the people. How else could he captivate so many over and over.
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  Calling all Bethelites

  by Nadsam in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  when you were at bethel..what sucked most ?breakfast/daytext/table overseer.monday night wt studytuesdays bookstudy at one of the local cong.wednesday evening fieldservicethursdays parts on the service meetingfridays "family evening" / evening fieldservicesaturdays quick build hall construction assistancesundays field service/meeting/late supperdaily sisters housekeeping/snooping through your possessionscar poolsallowance daylaundry day / missing clothing / badly sewed clothingboring libraryfarm duty !!!

  stalls vs $#it vs gardeninginking the press!digging/carpentry/bricklaying/box packing/loadingnasty crotch grabbin roomiesnot gettin sum..except nasty looks from roomieslousy infermary (basic asprin cures all !!!

  )longest pompous a$$ prayers going on and on and on....old anointed bro's ..that pee themselves and need help !assembly sound duty omg!food service overseeingparking attendant workapostate lookout/security work (it does exist guys !

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  Spectrum

  My question is what possessed you all to live in an army camp?
  Was it about getting favours from god?
  I remember sisters going on about young bethel men when they graced us with their presence like something good had happened.
  One fancied my sister(blood) for marriage but my mega materialistic sister wouldn't even contemplate someone that couldn't keep her the way god intended.
  She later married an equally materiallistic JW and they having been at each other's throats over money for 20 years.
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  Desolation of Jerusalem

  by Alwayshere in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  using the wts's dates in the january 1.1965 page 29 : nabonidus= 17 years.

  add 17 to 539=556, neriglissar==4 years, add 4 to 556=560, evil-marduk=2 years, add 2 to560=562, nebuchadnezzar=43 years, add 43 to 562 =605.

  the bible at 2 kings 25: 8 and 9 says "in the 19th year of king nebuchadnezzar the servant of the king came to jerusallem and burned the house of jehovah.

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  Spectrum

  Honesty,
  thanks for that basically without 1914 they are finished.
  Is the use of the pyramid biblical or freemasonry stuff? And do JWs accept that Russel used the pyramid for his calculations?
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  Desolation of Jerusalem

  by Alwayshere in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  using the wts's dates in the january 1.1965 page 29 : nabonidus= 17 years.

  add 17 to 539=556, neriglissar==4 years, add 4 to 556=560, evil-marduk=2 years, add 2 to560=562, nebuchadnezzar=43 years, add 43 to 562 =605.

  the bible at 2 kings 25: 8 and 9 says "in the 19th year of king nebuchadnezzar the servant of the king came to jerusallem and burned the house of jehovah.

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  Alwayshere and all,
  I found this site which you might find an interesting read. I don't know how good a scholar he is but he seems to know his subject though that doesn't really in of itself mean much. He is not JW or ex, he might be Jewish.
  http://members.aol.com/gparrishjr/home.html
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  Desolation of Jerusalem

  by Alwayshere in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  using the wts's dates in the january 1.1965 page 29 : nabonidus= 17 years.

  add 17 to 539=556, neriglissar==4 years, add 4 to 556=560, evil-marduk=2 years, add 2 to560=562, nebuchadnezzar=43 years, add 43 to 562 =605.

  the bible at 2 kings 25: 8 and 9 says "in the 19th year of king nebuchadnezzar the servant of the king came to jerusallem and burned the house of jehovah.

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  Always,
  thanks for that. It was an interesting read. The gist of it is that GB is relying on an error to account for the 20 years whilst ignoring the existing evidence which points to 586/7bc.
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  Desolation of Jerusalem

  by Alwayshere in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  using the wts's dates in the january 1.1965 page 29 : nabonidus= 17 years.

  add 17 to 539=556, neriglissar==4 years, add 4 to 556=560, evil-marduk=2 years, add 2 to560=562, nebuchadnezzar=43 years, add 43 to 562 =605.

  the bible at 2 kings 25: 8 and 9 says "in the 19th year of king nebuchadnezzar the servant of the king came to jerusallem and burned the house of jehovah.

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  Scholar,
  "In short, we have History- contemporary biblical history vs non-contemporary astronomical diary."
  We know that a lot of the scriptural events were not written in at the time of the events. Really how contemporary is contemporary?
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  WTBS article prove 587/586 BC fall of Babylon

  by crazies in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  labashi-marduk: (9 months) succeeded by nabonidus

  (insight volume 1 p.453 chronology; watchtower 1965 january 1 p.29)

  evil-merodach: 560 bce562 bce (2 years)

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  Spectrum

  Christian,
  OK thanks I think that was a clear answer of the repercussion and I agree with your conclusions as probably would JWs.