I was always of the view that, without Christianity vis a vis secularism to set some important ground rules that people are willing to abide by be it for the love of Christ or fear of God's vengence, society would break down like Soddom and Gomorah and Rome. That the rate of family break down would reach a threshold beyond which, society would not be sustainable as a sane unit in other words a disastrous scenario would ensue.
The problem with this hypothesis is, I don't know of any secular societies to make my comparison with. But I know the following. Late Rome was not a secular society neither was Victorian Britain, two highly immoral epochs. Early white America was highly religious but that didn't stop them from killing off the Natives of North and South America.
So looking at how low religious societies can go does it mean that a guideless secular society would be totally without scruples? And if there is guidance within a secular society should I assume that the main tennets can only come from a Christian ethos? For the latter question I would say that France fulfills this situation.
We know what religious society offers do we know what secularism untainted by religious input would offer?
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Secularism vs Religion: Which can give society the best all round guide?
by Spectrum ini was always of the view that, without christianity vis a vis secularism to set some important ground rules that people are willing to abide by be it for the love of christ or fear of god's vengence, society would break down like soddom and gomorah and rome.
that the rate of family break down would reach a threshold beyond which, society would not be sustainable as a sane unit in other words a disastrous scenario would ensue.
the problem with this hypothesis is, i don't know of any secular societies to make my comparison with.
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Greatest love of all. Whitney Houston.
by Spectrum inwhat a beautiful song!!
i was playing this song when my jw sister was in my room, i said to her listen to the words, did you hear that, .
"the greatest love all is happening to me, i found the greatest love of all inside of me ...... ... learning to love yourself is the greatest love of all" .
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What would JWs think of Marvin Gays Sexual Healing?
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Greatest love of all. Whitney Houston.
by Spectrum inwhat a beautiful song!!
i was playing this song when my jw sister was in my room, i said to her listen to the words, did you hear that, .
"the greatest love all is happening to me, i found the greatest love of all inside of me ...... ... learning to love yourself is the greatest love of all" .
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Confession,
I you hit the nail on the head. That is exactly what it is about. It is the answer I was looking for. They've been taught to see some words and phrases as loaded, loaded by the devil! -
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Should I admit to JWs that I am disfellowshipped?
by jwfacts ini know about 2000 jws in sydney, and have 50 that are tax clients, so barely a week goes by without bumping into someone i know.
it seems that few of them realise that i am disfellowshipped because they talk freely to me.
last week i accidently sat next to an elder on the train and we engaged in small talk for over 30 minutes.. should i admit to these people that i am not a jw?.
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You don't have to tell them anything.
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Greatest love of all. Whitney Houston.
by Spectrum inwhat a beautiful song!!
i was playing this song when my jw sister was in my room, i said to her listen to the words, did you hear that, .
"the greatest love all is happening to me, i found the greatest love of all inside of me ...... ... learning to love yourself is the greatest love of all" .
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atypical,
"In my area, in the circle of witnesses I was around, that song was considered very out of line with Witness teaching"
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Greatest love of all. Whitney Houston.
by Spectrum inwhat a beautiful song!!
i was playing this song when my jw sister was in my room, i said to her listen to the words, did you hear that, .
"the greatest love all is happening to me, i found the greatest love of all inside of me ...... ... learning to love yourself is the greatest love of all" .
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Scully,
I remember them saying at a meeting that weight training was all about vanity and we should not participated in it, God will give us a new body.
I think they have been trained to believe that any such emotions should be directed towards Jehovah if you love Jehovah then you obviously love yourself. -
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Greatest love of all. Whitney Houston.
by Spectrum inwhat a beautiful song!!
i was playing this song when my jw sister was in my room, i said to her listen to the words, did you hear that, .
"the greatest love all is happening to me, i found the greatest love of all inside of me ...... ... learning to love yourself is the greatest love of all" .
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Startingover,
"He looked at me real funny."
Same with my sister. It was like "why are you telling me this." -
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Extra training ... so you know that shooting babies is WRONG ?!?
by Simon inhow dumb and pathetic.. no extra training should be necessary for even slightly trained and disciplined soldiers.
i guess it is for some of the rabble that the us call "troops" though.. of course the real problem is not just those on the ground that have committed the latest attrocity.
it is the chain of command that tried to cover it up and all the way up to the president who sanctions bombing of civilian targets with nothing more than rumour for "intelligence".. from now on america, you are on your own.
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Rex,
Bush will not finish the job, if anything it will be exacerbated during his term. Until the west stops backing the zionazis against the Palestinians, the symbol of resistance, you'll have moslems rallying to the cause.
As an American you don't know what it is like to be downtrodden for 60 years. It doesn't leave much hope for anything but to fight. Imagine if we were still fighting the Germans to this day and they had the upper hand. Regardless of the mistakes the Palestinians have made they did not deserve to have european Jews piled on them. The fault lays firmly with the UK and US for ducking the Palestinians over and by extension the current terrorism is aslo the AngloAmericans doing.
It's just like when the Caeser invaded Gaul, wiped out 2 million Celts for their gold, then said it was their fault due to barbarian resistance. The real facts are, unfortunately the Celts had gold and were actually more civilised than the Romans.
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Greatest love of all. Whitney Houston.
by Spectrum inwhat a beautiful song!!
i was playing this song when my jw sister was in my room, i said to her listen to the words, did you hear that, .
"the greatest love all is happening to me, i found the greatest love of all inside of me ...... ... learning to love yourself is the greatest love of all" .
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What a beautiful song!!
I was playing this song when my JW sister was in my room, I said to her listen to the words, did you hear that,
"the greatest love all is happening to me, I found the greatest love of all inside of me ...... ... learning to love yourself is the greatest love of all"
She just totally dismissed it with a wave of her hand, like it was taboo. I couldn't believe it I thought she might have agreed that it was a good sentiment. But no stone cold. Maybe they are programmed to only love WTBS.
Anybody experienced something like this ie stone cold rejection for something good.
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Laughing laughing laughing
by darcy inwow.. so, you know i'm an active witness, very active.
hah.
and i'm not laughing at y'all, but wow, i can't believe how extensive this is.
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Nosferatu,
You got it in for this guy. Do you actually know him? We all sat on the fence before we came out. Give the guy a chance.