ok so when i finally didnt care, i did attend a jc, but i wanted closure, deep down i actually wanted them to df me.
- has anyone else been in this scenario, and what did you say at your jc that ensured the right action was taken.. they asked me how i felt about my relationship with jehovah - i simply said, i dont feel anything since i dont have one.
i dont pray, i dont study, and i dont show much interest.
Good for you taking the plunge. I presume you wanted to tell them to there face why you wanted out.
For others who may not know, all you need to do is send the elders a letter stating you no longer wish to be a JW. You don't have to go through a judicial hearing if you don't want to. It would go down that you dissassociated yourself which is the same thing as far as the elders are concerned.
the witnesses try to demonize the internet.
in your opinion is the internet the biggest problem for the watchtower organization?.
I faded years ago when there was very little information around about JWs. Nowdays it really is easy for anyone to check out if the are being told the whole truth by the WT.
The internet is almost totally responsable for the low increase in numbers and the many tens of thousnds who leave each year.
my mom told me this the other day (she was born catholic, and converted to jwism in the late 30's):.
when she was a late teen she asked this question to her catholic priest uncle: "why doesn't the catholic church encourage us to read the bible"..... the man told my mom "if the general public read the bible they would be terrorized by scandalous stuff that only the clergy can sift through".. instead of taking this answer and leaving it alone, it started her quest to find the truth, and what religion would teach the bible.. as we know, i, through her came in this wreatched religion that hides behind the bible to scam us.
Interestingly the WT do not encourage anyone to read the bible without WT publications. Try asking your mum if it is good to read the bible itself. If she is honest she will quote the society when they said if you read the bible by itself you will never come to an acurate knowledge of the truth.
So not very different to the Catholics
as the oldest members die off in 2010 it's going to be very hard to find qualified men from the anionted who are capable of joining the governing body.
most are just too old, so the new trend is younger members.
in 10 years i can imagine the governing body members looking like a young boy band, eating pizza at their meetings and saying things like "dude, like what's up with this blood doctrine?
I'm pretty sure reading between the lines that most of the research and number crunching is done by those not proffesing to be of the anointed.
There is no reason why books and magazines can not be written by brothers or sisters.
The main criteria seems to be that the governing body simply have to intial an article to say they agree with it. Ray Franz dealt with this in his books .
Certainly none of the older members are going to spend hours reading every article written for publication, they will rely on others to do that.
The whole faithful and discreet thing is a joke as is the growing numbers who proffess to be of that class.
could someone with access to the jw yearbook provide a scan of the country-by-country figures for 2009?
i've seen the overview page scanned from the yearbook of the worldwide totals, but so far no scan of the figures for each country.
many thanks in advance for the scan!.
-terrorists are prepared to die for their course,.
-jws are prepared to die for jehovah.. 2 terrorists treat those with different views as enemies,.
2 jws treat 'worldly people' as enemies.. 3 terrorists are brainwashed from a young age,.
I'm sure terrorists families love each other but that does not stop them being suiside bombers with full family approval. They are indoctrinated from a young age to die for the cause if necessary exactly as JWs are.
They are taught that only they are right everyone else is wrong or at best misguided. They are taught to obey the rulers with no questions asked.
So there certainly are some strong similarities.
branches 118. .
lands reporting 236. .
total congregations 105298. .
I thought it was interesting that although the auxillary figures were down 5.7% the regular pioneer figures were up 8.4%. So there was a clear shift from Auxillary to Regular pioneers even showing an increase. This may have something to do with people working less because of the recession. It will be interesting to see which countries particularly showed this shift.
WuzLovesDubs You are right abou Zero effectiveness although in truth the figures are not quite as bad because pioneers do a lot more hours than publishers. But still pretty awful.
branches 118. .
lands reporting 236. .
total congregations 105298. .
Branches 118
Lands Reporting 236
Total Congregations 105298
Worldwide Memoraial attendance 18,168,323
Memorial partakers worldwide 10857
Peak Publishers 7,313,173
Average preaching each month 7,046,419
Percentage of increase over 2008 3.2%
Total number baptised 276,233
Average auxilary publishers each month 304,551
Average pioneer publishers each month 794,317
Total hours spent in field 1,557,788,344
Average home bible studies each month 7,619,270
Figures above are based on the Japanese figures given in another thread.
while satan and his demons fiddled around in heaven and earth.
jehovah and jesus waited for over 2,000 years before kickin them out.
while a jdubb who is declared a apostate by the governing body and elders is kicked out asap!
Let's face it. One man makes a mistake and Billions of people suffer for for it. Some in the worst kind of suffering possable. Would any human father simply stand by and let it happen even though it would be easy for him to help. And the reason he does nothing is to make a point that there would be some of his family that care enough for him to not blame him for all this. It's pathetic.
some jw doctrines which were implemented years ago were clearly never thought out wisely,.
i wonder if the gb would ever consider reviewing for example, the blood doctrine which causes so many unneccesary deaths amongst jws.. and then again they would be careful not to just change it as this could possibly be met with an uproar from those who lost loved ones due to this doctrine..
That is now the case in many of their doctrines. With blood, minor fractions are now allowed, vaccinations are o k and transplants are now a conscience matter.
Years ago they changed alternative service from a big no no to it could be alright now it's up to your conscience. Even voting I believe is fine now in many situations.
The generation doctrine has been changed gradually over the years and has been a great embarrasment to them.
Loads of dates have changed. As soon as one date was proved to be wrong they have changed it to something else.
Any normal org. would be very embarrased by all these changes but most times the WT gets away with it claiming it is new light from Jehovah. The rank and file are so indoctrinated that this is God's org. that they accept it unreservedly.