Posts by alanv

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Why Blame God?

by wannabe in

why blame god?.

he said to the woman, "did god really say, 'you must not eat from any tree in the garden'?

so, whose really to blame for the thousands of years of suffering and death?

Can you imagine if one of our sons deliberately went against us on a serious issue. Yes it may well afect our relationship in the coming years with him but it certainly would not mean that we have it in for his ancesters 6000 years down the line.

The whole account is a joke. Notice how the WT adds things that are not in the account. They decide it is God's heavenly woman refered to. But it does not read that way. Also where does it say the sead would take thousands of years to put things right again.

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Did King Solomon believe in any life/hope after death?

by EndofMysteries in

read the entire book of ecclesiastes, it's all about death, what do you think?.

alanv

It was the Saducees who didn't believe in the resurrection. That is why they were sad you see. Get it. (old circuit overseer joke) lol

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How many have left your congregation ?

by leo999 in

hi everyone ,.

there are many new folk joining here everyday , and i thought it may be interesting and fun to just see how many people have left the congregation that you have attended in the past 5 years .

i dont mean of course people who are active jw's moving to another cong , but people that have left the wt religion , faded , da'd or df'd .. so , i will start off with my own cong .there have been 9 leave , 8 completely gone , myself hardly ever there and ' inactive ' .. leo999.

alanv

It depends what part of the world you are from. Certainly in Europe they are leaving as fast as they are coming in. However in good old USA there was an apparant increase of 4%. (how did that happen?)

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Another bit of unexplainable hypocrisy

by Mad Sweeney in

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ask a dub acquaintance this and see if they have anything resembling a rational answer:.

you: when you're at a public event and the announcer says, "please rise for the playing/singing of the national anthem," you refuse to stand because that would be considered an act of nationalistic worship, correct?.

dub: correct.. you: why then, when a jw is in a courtroom and the baliff says, "all rise for the honorable judge whatsherface, court is now in session," do jws stand up?

alanv

When my son got married recently at the Kingdom Hall, it became obvoius at the practice, that the congregation were not going to stand up when the bride entered. When I asked about it the Presiding Elder said 'well it's like worship isn't it. I was amazed that a simple act of respect could somehow be an act of worship. I kid you not.

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"Behold, I am coming soon".

by Doug Mason in

at its opening and at its end, the book of revelation addresses its message to seven specific churches in a well-defined region of asia:.

opening: to the seven churches in the province of asia.

1:4, all citations are from the niv).

alanv

I always had a problem with the society quoting the 1000 years is as one day to God. The whole of the Greek scriptures gives the impression that everything Jesus spoke about would happen very soon.

Common sense should tells us that he was not talking about 2000 years in the future. If that means what he said did not take place then so be it!

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Why are the books of king Salamon still considered by JW's as inspired by god?

by dutchstef in

just think about it...... if possible the wts tries to delete publications and songs written by former members of the slave as much as possible.. but king salomo also became involved with other religions at the and of his live....and it's one of the most quoted persons in the watchtower and other wts publications..

alanv

I may be wrong but I believe Ray Franz ,ex governing body member wrote a lot of the book 'Aid to bible understanding' and that was superseded by 'Insight on the scriptures'

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The WTS needs members only for service,contributions,and passing the WTS beliefs to the next generation.

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

terry recently said in one of his posts:.

at the local kingdom hall you don't exist as a person with value, feelings and importance.

you represent a statistic for the "greater good" of others.

alanv

I don't think things are as clear cut as that.

Just about everybody at the kingdom hall has been taken in by the WT society. They are all in the same boat.

They genuinly believe you need to be at the meetings or you may give in to Satan etc.

There are many genuine good people who are witnesses. Where they fall down is that they see no need to check what they have been told, and let's face it many of us were exactly the same. Let's have a bit of compassion for them.

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Do you miss God?

by wobble in

if you are one of the posters on here who has got to the point where you do not believe in god to any great extent, do you miss "him".

i find that i rarely used to ask god for anything, or load him up with my problems, everybody elses were far more urgent, but i did used to feel moved to praise him when i saw the beauties of creation, a sunset etc.. i now feel an urge to still do that, but do not believe anyone is listening, do you get moments like that ?.

love.

alanv

I used to pray for help on the field service and on meeting assignments and really believed I was receiving help. I now realize that if you believe something enough you will be able to carry it out by yourself. To this day I reckon I could get up on the platform and give a believable talk even though I don't believe a word of it.

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How do you cope with a zealous JW wife?

by eyesthatsee in

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i've been out for a little while now - fading was my chosen strategy.

before then, elder for around 20 years - all the usual stuff.. why leave?

(1) reading other material and thinking for yourself - never too late (2) couldn't stomach any more judicial committees where i had to preside over handing out edicts that were going to wreck peoples' lives (3) final realisation that i'm not going to let my children die because of the false 'blood' interpretation (4) nail in the coffin, which opened my eyes to the 'rotteness at the core' of the organisation, was the deliberate mis-quoting of scientists and others, to make a lie seem like truth.. anyway, my wife (both pioneered together) is as zealous as ever - more so now.

alanv

My JW wife died several years ago and one of the things she said was she wouldn't have married me if she had known I was going to leave the org. In every other way we had a good close marriage and luckily our love for each other got us through it.

We all have to remember when dealing with close JW family members that they have been totally indoctrinated by the society just as we were for so long.

All you can do is be a loving husband and father and hopefully your wife will realize in time that she too has been misled. It is getting easier and easier to see the lies and hypocrisy of the society and I'm sure your wife will realize the same as you have in time.

Good luck

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JWs... You are not unique! take a look at this. My research

by Aussie Oz in

in my research i have decided to go waaaay back.

so, one of the first things i did was look at the beginnings with regard to charles taze russell.. while this may be old news to many, this is indeed new to me.

and i want to tell this to the jws that are no doubt on here too.. you are an adventist sect.. without posting the expanded (very long) version of my research, i will post the basics that lead me to this conclusion.. how unique are jehovahs witnesses?

alanv

Good post Oz. As you say many have a rough idea what happened back then but I must say I never new JWs had so much in common with the adventists. Good advice to get people to check it out not an 'apostate' site but with the WT CD rom and wiki pedia.