check out this link: http://w3.newsmax.com/a/oct10/jehovah/.
i received this link from a brother "in good standing", though i could not decide if the article (oct 2010), was a good thing (to boost wt ego's) or a negative apostate type of information.. i was more suprised at the fact the it was in a rightwing political magazine.
but what do i know.. any thoughts?.
I can't see anything objectional in the article. I don't think it has been written by a witness as it is really not written in a witness way.
The one thing it does not say is that the vast majority of the mags go into the trash by people who just take them to get rid of the witnesses and also the millions that just get shoved through letter boxes at the end of the month because the witness has been not able to place them.
wonder if anyone had a scan available of the 2010 annual report, which can normally be found in the 2011 yearbook.. .
thanks in advance!.
This is from an article under the subheading of Six convincing lines of evidence
Sixth,thenumberofgenuineanointeddisciplesofChristisdwindling,thoughsomewillevidentlystillbeonearthwhenthegreattribulationbegins. Most of the remnant are quite elderly, and over the years the number of those who are truly anointed has been getting smaller.
2000 Watchtower 15 Jan page 5
Anybody convinced?
The other convicing arguements are no better than this.
wonder if anyone had a scan available of the 2010 annual report, which can normally be found in the 2011 yearbook.. .
thanks in advance!.
Just done some quick number crunching and most of the report does show quite good increase for them.
However the interesting thing I found was the following
Average publishers 2009 =7,046,419 Average publishers 2010=7,224,930 = 2.5% Increase
Average baptisms 2009 = 276,233 Average Baptisms 2010= 294,368 = 6.5%
So it shows 6.5% increase in baptisms and only 2.5% in average publishers
So as usual they attract new ones but then lose many of them after their baptised
lets compile a list of all the significant events that took place in watchtower land this year, 2010. the new lights, wt quotes, developments, new procedures, etc.
ill get started, just to mention a few.... 1) the overlapping generation.
2) the death of two members of the governing body.. 3) the death of ray franz.
I'm hoping to see the continuation of the decline of witnesses in Europe. Even better would be the rest of the world grinding to a halt in JW land
Looking forward to someone posting a scan of the 2010 service report from the 2011 Yearbook. Who is going to be the first to do that this year?
what happens when the rules regarding medical treatment are changed because it is now decided that the watchtower god does allows certain blood fractions after all but which formerly the wts said would offend him so much that offenders would be sent to gehenna?.
blood serums are just one example.
in 1954 the societys ruling on blood serums disallowed their use because using blood serums was displeasing to god.
There was another really bad consequence of the societies changing their mind on something.
For years JW hemophilics were told by the society that they could have one dose of a blood fraction but no more as that would constitute a 'feeding' of blood which they felt was wrong.
They had told this to witnesses who had contacted them. After a while they changed their mind and decided it was ok to have what was necessary for them. So they contaced ones whoi had written in but of course could not tell the ones who had phoned in.
So it may well have happened that many JWs died simply because the society had given them wrong imfo.
Apparantly it was put into print 3 years later but not in a very clear way, and certainly not saying that they had any new light on this.
Info on this can be found in Ray Franz book 'Crisis of conscience'
the local elders have been trying to visit me (my hubby still attends meetings and he has told them i don't wish to speak with them), they left a copy of a watchtower (on helping inactive ones to return) in my door when i was not at thome, and this last sunday asked my husband if it's ok to write me a letter saying this is what they have to do.
they can't freely stop by as we have large dogs that would keep them out.. does anyone know if this is going to result in my being df'd??
i don't want that to happen yet as my husband's parents who are quite elderly, would be devastated.
The disfellowshipping of course depends if you have done anything wrong from their point of view.
If you simply privately disagree with their doctrines, there is nothing they can do providing you don't tell them or others about your true feelings.
If they think you will be bad mouthing the org then they will do what they think is necessary with or without you.
So basically don't give them any ammunition.
i am curious if anyone knows the process by which new light, or revisions in beliefs actually are agreed on for presentation to the followers?.
does one member of the gb bring up something and they all talk about it and decide?
or do they get a bunch of questions in the mail and decide to re-evaluate something based on the fan mail?
Ray Franz also spoke about how for something to change there had to be a two thirds majority.
So if there were 12 members of the gov. body at any one time and say seven voted for a change (or you could say new light on something), then because they did not have a two thirds majority ie eight members, then the change would not go through.
Over the years this seemed to have happened quite a lot. The majority may have wanted change but because of the two thirds majority rule many new ideas never got through.
a little background before my recap of my conversation.
my father left my mom and i when i was young, like before i was 5. so i didn't know him other than a couple images i had of him in my head.
i don't have any bad feelings towards him, even though he cheated on my mom and took 20 years to pay back child-support.
Hi soldier I was pleased to see that you put the blame on the governing body.
JWs love to say how we hate jws but that is not true.
The blame for how the society acts quite rightly rests at the door of the governing body. Most JWs are victims as we once were.
i can't remember the last time i was asked that question because it has been many years.
nor do i remember my response to the questioner but it no doubt contributed to not being asked the question since.
are you in the truth?
If any witness speaks to me about 'the truth' I always say 'you mean the untruth' which can lead into a good conversation into the masses of things they have got wrong over the years
accidently ordered 2 copies of ray franz new book "in search of christian freedom" instead of a "crisis of conscience.
" i need a copy of crisis of conscience.
even if it's been used if anyone wants to swap i can send my book?????
Can't you send it back and get the other book you want. Most stores would do that.
Incidently you may enjoy downloading the books so you can read them on the computer or maybe on the new kindle reading device.
