Its hard to see how witnesses can believe the false lies about moving ahead at lightening speed. The societies own yearbook shows very clearly in the yearly service report that it is certainly is not now true and hasn't been true for quite a while now. This last service year actually showed no increase at all over the whole of Europe.
Posts by alanv
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by nowwhat? in"all people in the world are currently considered enemies of god" gee i wonder where some poeple get the idea that we are an extremist organization.. " jehovahs chariot is moving forward at blazing speed!
" in what reality is contraction and downsizing moving forward?.
"it used to be that if a congregation reached 150 publishers we would split into 2 congregations now if we have 2 congs.
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Watchtower/Bethelite Volunteers and US Self Employment or FICA Tax?
by EnlightenedEphesian inwith so many aging bethelites being "laid off" after years of volunteer service, what hope do they have of collecting any social security retirement?
i ask because i recently learned that my mother will not receive any government retirement benefits because she did not work enough to collect the 40 credits required.
this got me to thinking about bethel volunteers.
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alanv
They may be Bethel boys, but they are still victims. Most are brought up as JWs from birth. They and their parents know nothing else. The religion keeps them in a very tight bubble so they know little of the outside world. At least once they are out of Bethel they can begin to get their lives back on track, and hopefully get a job and start a family.
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Australian Total Publishers for 2016 Compared to 2015?
by awake!watcher indoes anyone know what the publisher totals were for 2015 compared to 2016 for australia?
i can't find them anywhere and was wondering if the royal commission hearing had any effect on the numbers.
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I dont thnk any of the branch elders could do any better than he did. He did his best for his organisation, but his best was not good enough. Others may well have been worse than him. -
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Australian Total Publishers for 2016 Compared to 2015?
by awake!watcher indoes anyone know what the publisher totals were for 2015 compared to 2016 for australia?
i can't find them anywhere and was wondering if the royal commission hearing had any effect on the numbers.
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alanv
Thanks darkspilver, for the added information. The ratio is a good barometer for the long term.
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Australian Total Publishers for 2016 Compared to 2015?
by awake!watcher indoes anyone know what the publisher totals were for 2015 compared to 2016 for australia?
i can't find them anywhere and was wondering if the royal commission hearing had any effect on the numbers.
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alanv
Just go to jwfacts.com for a complete report on all the service reports going back many years. The actual average publishers for Australia in 2015 was 66753, and for 2016 was 66689, so a loss of 64. Baptisms were 1235 so even if you allow 1% for deaths, they lost a lot of people last year
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The carts or trolleys are going to be around for a long time yet
by pepperheart ini say that because it works for both the people doing field service and the watchtower.
for the people its easier standing than having to walk and you can have a chat with other jws as well.
for the watchtower they tell the drones that the general public must make the first move(to stop the general public complaining about being pestered) but in doing so it means that they are not giving many magazines etc away but that suits the watchtower because magazines and even single page trats cost money and that seems to be one thing that the watchtower dont have .
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alanv
Yes I think you right pepperheart. What could be better for a JW in the spring, summer and autumn to be sitting on a bench next to a cart and have a good catch up with your friend, and at the same time count time.
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Are people free to leaving the Witnesses, and shunning.
by ThomasCovenant inis it true, as bro jackson testified to the australian royal commission, that people can leave the religion freely?.
in my own case, yes.
i just stopped going and was never announced as ''no longer one of jw's''.
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alanv
I never thought about relocating. I would never do that just to get rid of a few idiots. If they dont want to talk to me thats their loss. I have a great life after fading.
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Are people free to leaving the Witnesses, and shunning.
by ThomasCovenant inis it true, as bro jackson testified to the australian royal commission, that people can leave the religion freely?.
in my own case, yes.
i just stopped going and was never announced as ''no longer one of jw's''.
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alanv
Hi Yesu, good for you for never taking that lethal step. However many JWs will still shun you, as from their point of view you had the truth and you rejected it, so they now will reject you. Very sad.
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Are people free to leaving the Witnesses, and shunning.
by ThomasCovenant inis it true, as bro jackson testified to the australian royal commission, that people can leave the religion freely?.
in my own case, yes.
i just stopped going and was never announced as ''no longer one of jw's''.
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alanv
Afrikanman,
if you were baptised after the new 1985 baptism questions, you agreed to work with the organisation. All they have to do is ask you if you believe Jehovah is using the gov body as his channel. If you say no, you are in effect dissasociating yourself. At least that is how they will view it.
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Born in baptisms to avoid embarrassment
by Spoletta ini noticed a recent commenter mention an assembly that had only one baptism, a born in.
the last assembly i went to had three baptisms, of which two were born ins.
could part of the motivation for youth baptism be to avoid the embarrassment of an assembly with no baptisms at all?
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alanv
Its great looking at the figures on JW facts. Every year the org report more bible studies worldwide, but the actual ones getting baptised is at the same level as it was 40 years ago lol