If I remember correctly Geoffrey Jackson didnt dismiss the idea out of hand when it was presented to him at the ARC. But I would have been very surprised if Watchtower had joined a scheme like this. They dont give anything away unless they have no choice.
Posts by alanv
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by no-zombie inthis morning, this article appeared on our national online news channel; the abc.. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-10/jehovahs-witness-abuse-exposed/11561776.
no-zombie.
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Activism Works, Success :UPDATE
by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara inactivism success update:.
hi all, just wanted to update you on further to my post (link https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6235349429780480/activism-works-success ).. as usual we were in the park this weekend gone (the two bros fading, my good friend and i).we went for a coffee later.
as we were walking to the coffee place we passed a lady and i mentioned that "she lived on my street , near my house.
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alanv
That is exactly the way to get JWs to think. Once we openly have a go at their religion, they are trained to simply walk away. So you just ask a non confrontational question. It could even be done with the sex abuse problems that JW has. We can just say we were reading about what has been happening in the Catholic church with child sex abuse, and pose the question I wander if it is occurring in other religions as well. Also say how easy it is to check now days, by going on google. That may just be enough to get someone to check themselves if their religion has the same problem.
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New Study Bible Photos!
by Atlantis innew study bible photos from reddit if you want them.
these are a bit larger photos.
see first page for info.. .
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alanv
The org are desperate to hang onto people who are baptised and generally ok with the governing body. The org are trying all sorts of ways to keep these in. Main thing is telling them not get into debates with anyone. Once they perceive that somebody is asking too many questions, the jdubs are told to walk away. We are seeing this on the doors, with the carts and also with people who phone kingdom halls with questions.
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“You know how I know that they're finished out there? The carts.”
by Athanasius inthe watchtower's many legal problems and the jws' use of carts in their preaching work, reminded me of a scene and dialog from the film patton.. in a scene where patton is viewing a battle site the morning after, he says to an aide about the nazis: “you know how i know that they're finished out there?
in my dreams i saw the carts.
they kept buzzing around in my head and i couldn't figure out why.
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alanv
The large increase before 1975 had nothing to do with more JW children, it was because of people converting from other faiths. However now Im sure that any small increase mainly comes from JW kids getting dipped.
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New Kingdom Hall at Flowery Branch, Georgia USA
by darkspilver inexternal photos have previously been posted here.
4442 j m turk road, flowery branch ga 30542. from the gainesville times:.
jehovah's witnesses open new kingdom hall in flowery branch.
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alanv
They design kingdom halls now so it is easier to sell them off after a few years use.
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Secondary fulfilment to prophecy?
by Doug Mason inin its use of the prophecy contained in nebuchadnezzar's dream (daniel 4), the wts applies a "greater fulfilment" beyond its initial application.. while they complain about the wts's action, at the same time these people make their own secondary applications to prophecies, such as with micah 5:2. these people also find "greater" meaning to historical statements, such as at isaiah 9:6 and at isaiah 53.. such passages had their local meaning yet people are prepared to find their "greater application" which suits their ends, just as the wts does.
it is not an excuse to say that the nt writers indulged themselves in the practice.. i am not saying that i agree with the practice; i am simply seeking consistency and integrity.. doug.
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alanv
There are many groups that have tried to make prophesy fit their own agenda, and Watchtower are one of them. It took them 130 years to decide that they would stop having types and anti types that are not spoke of in the bible. When one of Watchtower's interpretation of scripture fails, they just change the meaning to something else. JWs are so indoctrinated they just except the new interpretation without question. Very sad.
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WT Teaching That You Can't Leave Behind
by jhine inafter posting on another thread it became apparent to me that it can be difficult for some ex jws to totally shake off all wt teaching , even after leaving the org.
do you still feel guilty going into a church for a wedding or a funeral .
can you bring yourself to celebrate birthdays or christmas .
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alanv
Even now after being out for 25 years, I find some things i was taught when i was in have an affect on me. I actually hate xmas and my own birthday. To me xmas is just an excuse to to over eat, over drink and send that once a year xmas card to someone you think you should. And i hate being reminded that im now another year older each birthday. So although i agree with Watchtower about those celebrations, they are for my own reasons, and nothing to do with their religious doctrines.
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Publisher numbers versus baptised witnesses.
by amandm ini grew up as a witness, and left about 10 years ago, i'm currently researching witness numbers for a project i'm working on, and i can't seem to get an accurate number of baptised witnesses - hardly a surprise!
from their website it looks like they list the number of publishers instead of the number of baptised witnesses, so it totally works to obscure how many actual witnesses there are, apart from the fact it's morally dubious to class a publisher as a minister of god as they refer to publishers on their uk section of the site.
i also am trying to work out how many leave every year, even approximate figures would be great, from their own website it just looks like they try to massage figures to make them look as favourable as possible.
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alanv
Thanks Black Sheep, I had no idea there was so much info about the JWs and all the other religions in the pew report. Very interesting stats. I wish we could see some of these stats from other countries. Far as I know USA is the only country that goes into this much detail.
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14 kids from the same old congregation
by StephaneLaliberte inthis week, while talking with some old friends, i realized that there were at least 14 kids from a congregation in which i grew up that all left the jws.
that is, 30 to 35 years ago, there were at least 14 kids going to the hall that were of the same “generation” (5 to 13 years old).
in the last 30 years, they have all left “the truth”.
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alanv
I think once we all start thinking about the kids we knew when we were in, we will soon realize that as the pew report shows 66% of them have left the org during their adulthood. It is one of the most mobile religions on the planet. I must make that point to the jdubs next time they call.
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Interested in a refresher about the anointed
by frozen2018 ini've had very little to do with jw's since the early 1990's.
however, i do try to stay a little informed on what they are up to as i have several close relatives who are devout.
i rely on this site to keep me updated.. over the weekend i learned that a couple of my relatives, a father and son, have decided that they are anointed and had some bread and wine at the last memorial.
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alanv
If memory serves me right, the 1935 date has gone. They said something like they cant put a date on it. They still say some have replacements, but also say some who partake of the bread and wine, may have mental problems lol