Hey. Has anybody thought about how meny JW it takes to convert one non-believer into JW. And how meny EX-JW it takes to get one JW out of organization? Then we could model grouth/decline rates of the organization. BTW is there any measurment of JW as ofcourse their own numbers probably is with additional zero at the end!
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JW vs Ex-JW
by Shazard inhey.
has anybody thought about how meny jw it takes to convert one non-believer into jw.
and how meny ex-jw it takes to get one jw out of organization?
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ok why havent we got the truth?
by PMJ inok as you have gathered im a wittness and i for one beleave we have the truth.not saying every thing is or has all ways been right because we live in a imperfect world with imperfect people.but as far as jehovah being god and jesus being his son.and the coming war of arrmegeddon.i would say we have the truth.i no about all the mistakes and misunderstandings we have had in the past.but i feel that is past and we have moved on.and abandoned i no what you all say about the year 607 being wrong but that date all deapends on it desolation was 70 years or not.so im just trying to understand how some of you say you lernt you was being lied to?
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PMJ can you read PLAIN Scripture? Here is Jeremia (Daniel is reffering to him): Jer 25: "Because you have not listened to my words, I will summon all the peoples of the north and my servant Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon," declares the LORD, "and I will bring them against this land and its inhabitants and against all the surrounding nations. I will completely destroy [a] them and make them an object of horror and scorn, and an everlasting ruin. I will banish from them the sounds of joy and gladness, the voices of bride and bridegroom, the sound of millstones and the light of the lamp. This whole country will become a desolate wasteland, and these nations will serve the king of Babylon
seventy years.
" Now question, what about Jeremia is talking... about land and all surrounding nations or about Jerusalem. And if Daniel is reffering to Jerusalem, is he reffering to Temple, City or Israel. Is allways "Jerusalem" the city?
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Jesus' Human Body
by UnDisfellowshipped inhave you noticed that when jesus christ, the son of god, the lord of lords, said something in the bible that the watchtower society disagrees with, the society will either (1) ignore it almost completely or (2) talk about that scripture, but then, they will twist it around to mean the exact opposite of what he plainly said?.
a good example of this is the insight book (volume 2), page 1,083 ("temple"):on one occasion, when the jews demanded a sign from jesus, he replied: "break down this temple, and in three days i will raise it up.
" the jews thought he was speaking of the temple building, but the apostle john explains: "he was talking about the temple of his body.
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PaulE the new ressurected body was controlled by Spirit. It is how thing should be from the begining. That material "dust" body is obidient to Spirit. But by sin all went upwards... body started control Spirit... and it is how things are today! But when we will be restored to the very core... we will be like Jesus Christ who is the first! Spirit will be source of whole power and glory. And see... see cocon and butterfly...
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They really make this much too easy...
by Ingenuous in*** w63 11/15 pp.
689-690 execution of divine judgment upon false religion ***.
6 necessarily there must be just one true religion, just as there is only one true science.
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Yea right like science had answers to everything allready? :)
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Jesus' Human Body
by UnDisfellowshipped inhave you noticed that when jesus christ, the son of god, the lord of lords, said something in the bible that the watchtower society disagrees with, the society will either (1) ignore it almost completely or (2) talk about that scripture, but then, they will twist it around to mean the exact opposite of what he plainly said?.
a good example of this is the insight book (volume 2), page 1,083 ("temple"):on one occasion, when the jews demanded a sign from jesus, he replied: "break down this temple, and in three days i will raise it up.
" the jews thought he was speaking of the temple building, but the apostle john explains: "he was talking about the temple of his body.
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AlmostAtheist... nice playing! Okey about Peters letter. Read whole context and you will notice that it is not contradiction to bodily ressurection, but just one more scripture where WT "life beyond death" doctrine is refuted. Christ was made alive (not rised) in spirit and in this spirit he descended into hell to glorify his victory. Ofcourse nobody can enter hades in body. And in the scriptures 1 Pet 3:22 it is written then after these events in hades he rised and was taken into heaven. Rised he in body. So no contradiction atall...
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144000....DO THE NUMBERS ADD UP?????
by chuckyy inas jws we were told only 144000 go to heaven from the time of christ right up to this day.it dawned on me before i was baptized one day during my study that the numbers dont add up.
the brother was telling me that the roman persecutions of the christians were killing thousands every week.
initially, within weeks of jesus death, there were 5000 christians at least in jerusalem.
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PMJ, read 1 Peter 1:10-11. And you will see that Christ's Spirit was spirit of Prophets also Rev 19:10 See those who lived befor Christ came in flesh still had faith in him, still believed and this faith is the one which saves them too and they are saved because of their faith in Christ before as we are saved after. Christs sacrifice covers whole people in whole world. But we know you do not believe Bible words if their contradicts WT teaching!
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144000....DO THE NUMBERS ADD UP?????
by chuckyy inas jws we were told only 144000 go to heaven from the time of christ right up to this day.it dawned on me before i was baptized one day during my study that the numbers dont add up.
the brother was telling me that the roman persecutions of the christians were killing thousands every week.
initially, within weeks of jesus death, there were 5000 christians at least in jerusalem.
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PMJ yea, it is pretty obvious their heart... if they are ready to go to death because of Christ, they are very faithfull christians... and this number is FAR over 144000. BTW better go to scripture and read WHERE are the 144000 placed when the seal is put on them. And find out WHY the seal is put on them!
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Support Group
by Shazard inhello ppl.
i wanted to ask some advice if it is even possible.
i wanted to start some support group (atleast virtual) at my country (latvia) for those who are leaving jw.
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Hey thanks... never got this idea. Can try! But can you tell about thinking of disfellowshipped... where do they look for support? How do they seek support... and IF?
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WHAT IS GOD DOING
by jambon ini am a m/s in a cong but i have been in the truth 10 years and believed it for only 3. i have so many issues but mainly;.
i just dont believe that jehovahs way of handling the `issue` is the best way, which means i dont believe in him or love him any more.
i recently had kids and i cant face any harm coming there way - like most, i would kill for them if anyone posed a harm, so what is jehovah doing??
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WHAT IS GOD DOING??? Getting his flock out of demonic cult!
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Support Group
by Shazard inhello ppl.
i wanted to ask some advice if it is even possible.
i wanted to start some support group (atleast virtual) at my country (latvia) for those who are leaving jw.
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Hello ppl. I wanted to ask some advice if it is even possible. I wanted to start some support group (atleast virtual) at my country (Latvia) for those who are leaving JW. But I don't have any idea how to get to them. Posts on i-net gives no result! Should I put stencils all around the Kingdom Hall??? Where does goe people who leave JW, where do they seek support? How to find them and help them? JW are relatively new in my country, but allready pretty strong so there SHOULD be people who leave. Ofcourse when such people are united they can fight back! Any suggestions?