My 2 cents... I am not JW and never been and will never bee as far as it depends on me. But I have relatives involved ij JW and study WT teachings. I am christian and believe in Lord Jesus Christ, but as people allready sayed... you don't need to agree to everybodys point of view, and whenever I do not agree or anybody else does not agrees we still can be friends... that is what so cool about this site and similar. I can hang out with atheist and we may be do not have agreement about God or some religion stuff, but we still can have beer togeather, we can build a house togeather, we can help somebody sick out there, we can give food to somebody in hunger, we can still be loyal to our country who protects us, we can still do our job and enjoy gifts life brings... I am not bound to hate somebody who does not hates me. And even more... I am not boud to hate anybody atall.. If I hate somebody it is ON ME, I am hurting myself not somebody else and there is consequencies even in atheistic world for hatered and non-love!
Shazard
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Many Questions
by urstruly inhi i'm new to this forum.
i've looked at other websites to and i see all this about the jw's, now i'm not one, i was raised a jw but made my own decision and my parents respected that.
i've read so many horror stories, but my life wasn't like that at all, as a matter of fact, when they first knocked on our door and my mother accepted a study our life changed for ever, it was for the best in many ways.
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How responsible is Jesus' advice at Matthew 19:12?
by scout575 inmatthew 19:12 says: " for their are some eunuchs which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and their are some eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom heaven's sake.
he that can make room for it, let him receive it.
" whilst these words of jesus have been taken figuratively by most christians, many, particularly in the past, have taken them all too literally and castrated themselves, thinking they were following jesus' advice.
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Shazard
One verse before Christ says:
Matt 19:11Jesus replied, "Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given.
See... first comes God's own act - giving some understanding not otherwise. People often think that if they do soemthing, then God is bound to put them directly in Heaven! -
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607BCE or 587/586BCE explained
by truth about the last days inhello all to all my brothers of the faith.
i have some information in relation to the dates 607bce and 587/586bce, with the simple explanation of the 70years exile.
the wt still sticks with the 607bce due to the fact that the governing bodys explains that the jews returned back at about 537bce, assuming that they were finished with their bondage.
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Shazard
PMJ in your post there is one slight but very important detail which "slips" between fingers even for trained non JW student. Your post starts with...
The beginning of the "Times of the Gentiles" is thus seen to occur at the point of Zedekiah’s overthrow, which is also linked with the destruction of Jerusalem that followed immediately thereafter.
WHY??? Where do you get this from Bible? This is PURE WT invention. But most interesting is... that this is everydays method how WT acts... First comes some non obvious clame, then cames some obvious proof of SOMETHING ELSE and then some "between fingers" conclusion from this proof to proof of first claim. And there you get your "proof".
But when you are honest in logic and break down the claims you get something like
Lions live in Norhen Pole. We can see by provided pictures that there are bears in Northen Pole, and here in this picture you see that Bears and Lions live in similar environment SO... there SHOULD be Lions in northen pole, and scientists who claims oposite are Satans misguided poore people.
Check yourself...
And ONLY scripture which "links" destruction of Jerusalem with 70 years captivity is Daniel. BUT
1) Daniel is apocaliptical literature... so therms, language used should be observed if they really mean the same what it says. To try explain clean Bible claims by Apocaliptical literature claims is plain stupidity, as the operation should be right opposite - explaining Apocaliptical books (Daniel and Revelation) BY other scriptures not otherwise.
2) Daniel refers to Jeremia who claims that 70 years will be over whole land AND nations NOT Jerusalem as City
3) Daniel and not only (Isaiah too) uses Jerusalem to picture ISRAEL as nation!
So... question... where do you get that BEGINING of 70 years is fall of Jerusalem City when Bible says that the BEGINING of 70 years is begining of Nebukanezzar reign! And Jerusalem falls on his 19th year, and Daniel himself was taken into captivity on the 1st Year of Nebukanezzar - so captivity and Independence of Judea ALLREADY was lost -19/20 years before Jerusalem fall. -
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Would Jehovah create something He could not control or convince?
by DavidChristopher in.
any thoughts on this?
would he create us without the knowledge of how to convince us his will and commands are for our best interest?
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Shazard
response is love... love without freedom is not love. so God created his beeings free because of love. if creation using it's freedom rejects love, so rejects God they doom themselves to ethernal non-love
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Biblical beliefs that are similar to older pagan beliefs
by M.J. ini'd like to list some beliefs within judaism and christianity that bear a resemblance to older pagan beliefs.
the wts is deceptive when they selectively point out such parallels, but only with respect to beliefs they reject.. for example, the wts argues that the origin of the concept of the immortal soul is in egyptian and babylonian mythology, both of which espoused such a concept.
but they neglect to also point out that babylonians wrote flood accounts similar to the noah story before the writing of genesis, or that baptism was practiced in pagan religions before the birth of christ.
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Shazard
Common it is so eazy to explain. Memories about Noa and preflood times were preserved in one or another way. But looking into pagan you can see how sin clauded real events and "decorated" them with miseteries, myths, legends nice or horrible details (depend on which side you are) and so on. Sacrifice is degenerated in pagan and so on. Pagans has menu degenerated piesces of truth, that's why it seems like Christianity borrowed things from pagans. In reality Christianity is purification and cleansing of the myths and rejecting human inventions. That's why you can see the things in pagan, coz you have information about God preserved in his Word. That's why we have Isrealities so different from pagan, coz they actually were "arc" of God's Word till Christ came, in whom whole truth is revealed fully. Not EVERYTHING pagan is false. I assume that even 90% of pagan stuff is just sin-degenerated truth. Otherwise every single piesce of Christianity can be tracked "back" to pagan origin.
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Books and letters that are not part of the Bible
by sinis inbeen reading the apocraphyls (sp?
) as well as a book that contains books and letters that were not included in the bible.
the whole thing is very interesting.
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This is common mistake, thinking that church invented canon. But in reality church discovered the canon, not invented. Inventions came later, when church itself get poisoned by sin. And be carefull about apocrifa, it is allways interesting to find out why particular book is not included in canon. This is pretty amazing and interesting research!
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Why didn't Jesus Outdo Greek Scientist?
by Spectrum inif i wanted to prove to a bunch of tribal ignoramuses that i'm the big boss i'd show them a few scientific tricks that would have dazzled them.
like electricity, how the brain really works, higher mathematics, tell them how a star is formed since he created them, set up a fusion reactor for eternal energy source.
he walked on water, see that might impress the odd shepherd or two back then but it leaves nothing for us to go on today as we can just reject it out of hand as a myth.
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Yea... everybody here expects that Jesus would show something what prooves his Divinity. How about ressurection? :) You don't believe... that's coz you still are [quote]a bunch of tribal ignoramuses[/quote]
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calvin and armenias
by I-CH-TH-U-S inive been doing some research latley in the christian church on the calvinism vs arminian debate.
and im just curious to what the jw believe on this..example .
calvinism: .
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Shazard
To say, that God does not want all to be saved is against scripture 1 Tim 2:3-4
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Does the Bible's '2 witnesses' rule give evidence of divine inspiration?
by scout575 inat deut 17:6 the law is given that states that for the death penalty to be imposed on someone guilty of a capital offence, there have to be 2 or 3 witnesses to the crime.
if there weren't at least 2 witnesses then no conviction could be made and therefore no punishment meted out to the offender.. consider the following scenario: an israelite girl is being sexually abused by her israelite father ( incest was a capital offence under the mosaic law - leviticus 18:6,29 ).
she approaches the city elders and tells them what her father is doing to her.
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Another scenario. Fathed does not allow his doughter use drugs and throws out her does. She get's angry, summons 2 witnesses and goes to city elders and sayes her Father abuses her. 2 witnesses agrees and her Father dies.
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Who's name are Christians persecuted for?
by NowImFree ini have had the following realization before, but it just hit me again last night.
i am reading this book called daughters of hope, it is about christians being persecuted around the world and their stories.
in reading this book last night, it hit me again, all these people were being persecuted and killed for the name of jesus, not jehovah.
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Shazard
I noticed it very early as I am not JW and my mind is free to analyze and read scripture without JW bias (I have lutheran bias)