Well I would not ask question "how does JW do that or that" if I would be JW. No I haven't been them. And I guess my appartments are marked as "apostate" as they do not come to me but I want... so to have chances to evangelise them... I am fully Lutheran (conservative wing)
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Acts 15:20 vs John 15:13
by Shazard inhow jw deals with this "contradiction"?
as they teach that acts 15:20 means that blood is life, so you have not to give your life to somebody else to save him!
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Acts 15:20 vs John 15:13
by Shazard inhow jw deals with this "contradiction"?
as they teach that acts 15:20 means that blood is life, so you have not to give your life to somebody else to save him!
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how JW deals with this "contradiction"? As they teach that Acts 15:20 MEANS that blood is life, so you have not to give your life to somebody else to save him!
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Apostates and Slacker Dubs Commit the Unforgivable Sin
by gumby inif your not too rusty with dub teachings, you remember that to commit the unforgivable sin, you had to deny the holy spirits begetting you.
it would be like one of the annointed purposely saying................ "i don't want to worship jehovah anymore nor have any part of him or his son inspite of the fact he annointed me".. in christendom, it is likewise a denial of the spirit when you know it's for real.
!...one day freddy franz got so pissed at apostates and slacker dubs, he decided he was gonna write a watchtower article and kick some major ass!
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Everything can be forgiven, but denying this forgiving can't be forgiven.
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some more questions
by onetwofour inhey what are the verses in the bible dealing with false prophets?i only recall deuteronomy 18 .
regarding john 1:1 i said to a jw friend theres only one god, this makes jesus a god... meaning 2 .
then my friend said a lot of things are called god in the bible .
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You can do some trick. Take sticker (those sticky papers), write on that paper YHWH, God or something like that, and stick it to your own head. Or to some thing. Make more stickers, and stick them wherever you like. That's all! --- Between lines - to be "called" God and to BE God is two different things. Then there is no contradiction between Jes and all thes "called god" stuff. Things, beings are being CALLED god(s) mostly because they represent some ONE aspect/feature of God himself. Judges are called Gods coz God is only being who has right to judge. Angels are called gods coz they are very clever, spiritual beings and implements will of God. Moses is called God coz he is "proxy" of God to pharon and so on. Jehovah's Witnesses tells everybody, that true NAME of the God is "Jehovah" and still they do not understand what even term "name of God" means and also they do not undestand (atleast do not tell to enybody) what THE NAME means. But means it "Creator" - that's closest word in English, in hebrew it means much more. So... God is CREATOR. So using this point you can argue if the Jesus is just "called God" or he IS God by nature. If he is creator, then he is God, if he is not, then he is just divine being. Coz using "Creator" argument you can eazely draw line between "to be God" and "to be called God". Satan for example can't create even dust on the shelf, all he can do is to corrupt allready created things.
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What is the wackiest thing God has ever done?
by DannyBloem inis it killing 42 children because they called prophet elisha a bald headed man (which he probably was, so they did ot even lie)?.
is it killing 70000 innocent israelites because the king david does a counting of the people?
(it is hard to keep the numbers right if the fluctuate so much).
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I am to lazy to find exact places, but Babilonians (for example) were punished coz they did not show mercy to Israelities. So punishment is not for following Gods will, punishment is when you put something else to this will from yourself. It is nature of man to sin, and especially this nature is revealed when God gives persmission to do something... then mans sin adds unimaginable things to this order. Thats why all the medieval massacres were carried out. God gave order to spred his good message, and men added "in every way it suits you" to this order. The thing people does not understand (sometimes) is whenever Gods gives some specific order to men, they are not "out of" the order themselfs. Actually do not seek so far... look at police. Sometimes sinful policeman imagines that representing law is to be out of the law... but this is wrong.
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Trinity ?'s
by sinis incan someone please explain the trinity in an easy to understand format?
i have been doing a lot of reading, dr. mantey,etc.
and am starting to lean towards that.
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1) To understand nature of god is to understand the ethernal. 2) Also... may be this can help... to be God is to be Creator of the universe/reality. So whoever is Creator is God. 3) God is "nature" same as "angel" "man". This nature impies "features" the objecg gets from being this nature. So if somebody is "man" we know that he walks on two legs, does things men does and think like man and has all the nature of man. So the same is with God, if somebody is God, then we understand that he has Godly will, knowledge, power and most important that it is Creator of the reality. If something is not creator, it is NOT God by nature. So the same says Bible (somewhere in Jerem) that the "gods" who did not create the world will be destroyed. 4) How God can be 3 persons? Who sayed that he is like man or angle, where "person" implies some characteristics. You can even invest the definition of "person" and you will find out that this can be used to describe God only partially. There is no even common definition of term "person". And like Jesus were talking about spiritual things using "icons" of worldy words and terms, the same goes with "person". Term person actually implies some spiritual reality which is impossible to describe fully by our words. So to describe "hypostasis" of God is also impossible fully. We only trust the God that he gives and reaveals himself to us in the best way for us to understand and still stay alive. The restriction "nobody can see me and stay alive" is not just stupid old saying. It is real warning. I guess if God would reaveal himself fully our mind which is limited, would "explode". We need the spirit of God to understand God. God does not reveals himself in a way to harm us. 5) Okey now to "icons" of Trinity. Simple triangle shows one aspect of trinity. Each of the corners IS the triangle and has all the features of the triangle, and still each corner is not other two corners. 6) Water - there is one water, but ice, steam and liquid are not each of others two, they have ALL the features of whater, but still they poses something else which differs them from 2 others. 7) When you look in sunny day in the sky you say, that you see Sun, but it is wrong. What you see is LIGHT coming from Sun and you se the light where the Sun was 8 minutes before. Real SUN (the sky body) you are not able to see. The light makes the Sun visible. Also when you close eyes, and does not want to see the shinign Sun still you can FEEL the Sun as it is Warm. So... God Father is Sun, God Sun is Light whcih reavelas the Father to us and makes "invisible" visible. And the Holy Spirit is heat of Sun which can reach you even if you are blind.
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What is the wackiest thing God has ever done?
by DannyBloem inis it killing 42 children because they called prophet elisha a bald headed man (which he probably was, so they did ot even lie)?.
is it killing 70000 innocent israelites because the king david does a counting of the people?
(it is hard to keep the numbers right if the fluctuate so much).
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Spectrum. This is common mistake people does. Thinking that if God uses somebody to punish somebody else, then this first "somebody" is free of his own sins and deeds. Real thing is that God uses sinners to punish sinners. God uses evil to accomplish God's will too! Some wise theologicans have sayed, whenever Devil puts stone on the road of faithfull servang of God, then this stone by Gods will becames cornerstone upon which the slave can step to be closer to God. We and even Devil can't comperhand Gods wisdom and plans. It is paradox that everything happening is moving towards God's plan, and still Gods wants us to be free beings.
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What is the wackiest thing God has ever done?
by DannyBloem inis it killing 42 children because they called prophet elisha a bald headed man (which he probably was, so they did ot even lie)?.
is it killing 70000 innocent israelites because the king david does a counting of the people?
(it is hard to keep the numbers right if the fluctuate so much).
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how about "saving millions of people from death even if they are doomed to death by Gods law"?
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1914 question
by drew sagan input aside all of the 607 b.c.e., there is another question that i'm not familiar with and mabyee some of you know what there explanation is, or if they don't even address the issue.
we are all familiar with the account in daniel chapter five, and nebuchadnezzars dream about the tree.
daniels explanation of this dream begins: .
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most fun is that we as free people ar free to use whole secular scholarship to find out what Bible means by things which are not obvious. Sometimes historical and archeological discoveries teaches us how to interpretate Bible. I guess that there are some secular evidences about this period of Nebukadnezar when he were mad. It is even recognized as rare (but not impossible) sickness. This period of the madness was something about 550 year B.C. and even Bible very clearli states that everything Ruler of Babel dreamed fulfilled in his life. So there should be fantastical leap of humans phantasies to such out of this things WT did! Bible is not so hard to understand when you start to believe Gods Word. Then you don't need to be expert in history, languages etc. to believe. Bible is sufficient for everybody who can read to became to Christ without any human guidance, coz HSpirit guides us!
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WTS vs Quotes: Requiem for a Research Web Site
by Quotes inin compliance with the terms of a settlement agreement, my information and research web site, http://quotes.watchtower.ca, is now "dark".
the domain "watchtower.ca" has been transferred to wts (i assume they will have it pointing to borg.org watchtower.org asap).
my copies of the site have been destroyed, the files deleted, and my wt library cd has been destroyed, in accordance with the settlement agreement which will afford a "discontinuance" of their suit against me.
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From apocripha sirah book... "Fight for truth and God will fight along with you". Man... you did not loose. You exposed WT, and yes... mirrors which you do not know about and which you do not control are going to emerge. Your work is not lost.