As I told, IF you believe Bible... as we see, JW are not even able to believe what Bible says without throwing in "scholars" which supports their believes. BTW where do you get 537 year as end of Babilon?
Shazard
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Babilonian captivity VS Jerusalem destruction
by Shazard inread ezekiel 40:1 in the twenty-fifth year of our exile, at the beginning of the year, on the tenth of the month, in the fourteenth year after the fall of the cityon that very day the hand of the lord was upon me and he took me there.
--- one verse showing that babilonian captivity is not the same as jerusalem destruction.
ofcourse if we start to count the 70 years from babilonian invasion into whole region (jeremia is talking about whole region not only jersualem and even not only judea)
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Babilonian captivity VS Jerusalem destruction
by Shazard inread ezekiel 40:1 in the twenty-fifth year of our exile, at the beginning of the year, on the tenth of the month, in the fourteenth year after the fall of the cityon that very day the hand of the lord was upon me and he took me there.
--- one verse showing that babilonian captivity is not the same as jerusalem destruction.
ofcourse if we start to count the 70 years from babilonian invasion into whole region (jeremia is talking about whole region not only jersualem and even not only judea)
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I do not get dates, I show you that begining of 70 years is not destruction of Jerusalem OR if it is, then Babilonians were 70+11 yaears (by Ezekiel) it means 81 year in captivity. So which one you choose?
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"We are the only religion on earth that can claim to be unhypocritical."
by Bonnie_Clyde inthose are the exact words of the po's wife today at the wt study.
i wrote them down as she said them.
the next comment by one of the servants was, "if we accept the authority of the faithful and discreet slave, we cannot go wrong.
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Shazard
To such claims I allways respond "Who cares?"
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WTBTS has done there job to the fulliest!
by darth frosty inokay now i will give you time to pick your jaw up off the floor while i explain what i mean.
i now belive that religion is just one of the many forms of control that the powers that be (hereafter refered to as 'tha man') use to control people and keep them under foot.
we know how the current administration uses the religious right to keep the electorate in line, but i also believe the wts serves tha man in the same way.
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Shazard
IronClaw you are messing something... there is nothing about "inteligence or wisdom" but meny translations translates it "crafty man is hated", also MY (Latvian) bible translates it otherwise. Read Prov 1:7
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Survival
by startingover ini was talking to a friend the other day and he brought up something i hadn't thought about before.
he said that suppose the entire world was wiped out except for say 100 people.
humans have made huge advances being industrialized, but in this scenario, things as they are now could not be maintained.
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Shazard
depends on region. If you move to the south, you will be provided with food without work, so you could build up civilization back very soon
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Babilonian captivity VS Jerusalem destruction
by Shazard inread ezekiel 40:1 in the twenty-fifth year of our exile, at the beginning of the year, on the tenth of the month, in the fourteenth year after the fall of the cityon that very day the hand of the lord was upon me and he took me there.
--- one verse showing that babilonian captivity is not the same as jerusalem destruction.
ofcourse if we start to count the 70 years from babilonian invasion into whole region (jeremia is talking about whole region not only jersualem and even not only judea)
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Shazard
And if you are reading Daniel then I will ask you question just like WT use to ask. Is "Jerusalem" ALLWAYS apply to the city. Or... is there any places in scripture where "Jerusalem" appies to whole God's Israel? Should I provide you with scriptures or you will find themself. Read Isaiah 4:4 does it apply only to the city? Isaiah 8:14 does this apply only to the city? Read Isaiah chapter 52 and in the light of New Testament think if it applies only for the city or for the whole new Israel? Read Isaiah 62 whole chapter, does this apply ONLY to the city? But keep looking in Jeremia and other prophets and see if "Jerusalem" allways applies only to the specified city and never to Israel?
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Babilonian captivity VS Jerusalem destruction
by Shazard inread ezekiel 40:1 in the twenty-fifth year of our exile, at the beginning of the year, on the tenth of the month, in the fourteenth year after the fall of the cityon that very day the hand of the lord was upon me and he took me there.
--- one verse showing that babilonian captivity is not the same as jerusalem destruction.
ofcourse if we start to count the 70 years from babilonian invasion into whole region (jeremia is talking about whole region not only jersualem and even not only judea)
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Shazard
I am talking about that Exile to Babilon started atleast 10 years BEFORE destruction of Jerusalem. Ezekiel is preaching to people of Babilon if you know Ezekiel at all. See ezekiel speaks in 25 year of exile, 14 years AFTER destruction of jerusalem. Simple math 25-14 :)
But this is only ONE small part of scripture which shows that 70years of Exile does not start when Jerusalem were destroyed. Actually ONLY by Scriptures alone it is possible to proove that exile to Babilon started before destruction of Jerusalem. But it is possible only if you believe Bible, not Society!
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Here it is. 2 King 21:11-15, 2 King 24:1-3, 2 Chron 36:20-21, Jer 25:11, Jer 29:9-1, Zah 1:12. Read what about Jeremia and authors of Kings and Chron are talking about... Jerusalem or Whole region will be under Babilon for 70 years. Notice that Zah is talking about 70 years allready passed, but Jerusalem and even Temple is not started to rebuild. Now read 2 King 25:1,2,8,9 Now... waves of exile - 2 King 24:1, Dan 1:1-3. See exile allready started otherwise would Daniel go to Babilon by himself? 2 Chron 36:5-6, Jer 52:28-30
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Do not believe me, believe bible, go and check out. Also you can investigate all the kings during Nebukadnezzars ruling and line up them in chronologies. WT "logic" is based upon Daniel, who were basing himself on Jeremia... so the real source is Jeremia and what he was talking about. Daniel should be interpreted in the light of Jeremia and other prohphets (authors of Kings etc.) not otherwise. You can't voluntarely choose which part of bible you interpretate by which part. Clear hard parts should be interpreted by eazy parts, and Daniel tells himself HOW he should be interpreted. Will you rely on God to interpretate Scriptures (John 16:13, 1 John 2:26-27) or you is OK that somebody else (who have prooved regulary to change it's mind, change beliefs, mistake) tells you what to believe and think? Start thinking yourself! -
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WTBTS has done there job to the fulliest!
by darth frosty inokay now i will give you time to pick your jaw up off the floor while i explain what i mean.
i now belive that religion is just one of the many forms of control that the powers that be (hereafter refered to as 'tha man') use to control people and keep them under foot.
we know how the current administration uses the religious right to keep the electorate in line, but i also believe the wts serves tha man in the same way.
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Shazard
Well excaping wolf and getting into claws of bear. So you escape religion, and you stuck into TV and Ads... other way of destruction. For example I have noticed it in western modern world people life. They are not able to focus on something longer than 12 minutes without 3 minutes "coffee break". This 12-3 pair is Show-Ad dictated behaviour. So this makes you unable to learn or analyze something what takes more then 12 minutes, more then 1 hour, more then 1 day, week, year... to get somewhere. But it is enough to learn something for middleclass "worker". Somebody sayed, the best country would be the one with robots. BTW that's why christianity is not so popular, coz it requires you to think... just to understand most basic christianity things.
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Babilonian captivity VS Jerusalem destruction
by Shazard inread ezekiel 40:1 in the twenty-fifth year of our exile, at the beginning of the year, on the tenth of the month, in the fourteenth year after the fall of the cityon that very day the hand of the lord was upon me and he took me there.
--- one verse showing that babilonian captivity is not the same as jerusalem destruction.
ofcourse if we start to count the 70 years from babilonian invasion into whole region (jeremia is talking about whole region not only jersualem and even not only judea)
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Read Ezekiel 40:1 In the twenty-fifth year of our exile, at the beginning of the year, on the tenth of the month, in the fourteenth year after the fall of the city—on that very day the hand of the LORD was upon me and he took me there. --- One verse showing that Babilonian Captivity is not the same as Jerusalem Destruction. Ofcourse if we start to count the 70 years from Babilonian invasion into whole region (Jeremia is talking about whole region not only Jersualem and even not only Judea)
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Is there Two Jehovahs? More than one "truth"?
by DavidChristopher ini am relly confused.
one jehovah wants control over unquestioning, unreasoning, obedient, robots.
if they are god, i don't see how that would be a problem.
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Read Rom 11:22... And more... God KNOWS that you are sinfull creature (Read Rom 3:10-18) and then read Rom 8, That is WHY Jesus came and died, for YOU to be free of God's damnation, coz Jesus took the Curse upon himself in YOUR place, so you can still becam God's Child and HSpirit restores the lost image of God in us... Read 2 Kor 3:17-18. We are being restored to the lost image of God the men were creted by. See what Jesus did FOR YOU, he SAVED you from damnation to let you became just like God was planning men to be. Each time you admit you sin, God can Heal you. Each time you reveal sin to God, he cleanses you. Jesus blood makes you clear. And now go and read John 15: 1 - 5