Posts by cyberguy

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For those with severe depression, with a potential of SUISIDE!

by cyberguy in

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for those with severe depression, with a potential of suiside!

reconsider!.

i did a recent post and didn?t catch, until recently, a person who posted, that apparently, has suicidal tendencies!

Advance Notice: "Quotes" is moving

by Quotes in

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re: http://quotes.jehovahswitnesses.com.

don't worry, it isn't disappearing, but it will be moving; not just moving servers, but changing domain names.

i need your advice and input.. why: currently, the site is hosted by http://netidentity.com.

You can always think about an alternate name. How about "AboutJwQuotes.com?" Anyway, it doesn?t really matter, does it? since you can submit such a site to Google, et., al.! Just my 2-cents. Wish you the best! Love your site!

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For those with severe depression, with a potential of SUISIDE!

by cyberguy in

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for those with severe depression, with a potential of suiside!

reconsider!.

i did a recent post and didn?t catch, until recently, a person who posted, that apparently, has suicidal tendencies!

cyberguy

For those with severe depression, with a potential of suiside! PLEASE! PLEASE, PLEASE! RECONSIDER!

I did a recent post and didn?t catch, until recently, a person who posted, that apparently, has suicidal tendencies! My mistake, regrettably! However, for those with severe mental depression and not knowing a way out, PLEASE post to this board and let us know about it! Maybe we can help, maybe we can?t! However, if you ?re severely depressed, please get help! PLEASE call a health professional! If nothing else, PLEASE try expressing yourself here! Let us know that you?re really struggling!

However, since most of us are not medical professionals, we may not be able to provide sufficient help for you at this time. However, we?d be glad to assist where we can, and/or get professional help for you, if you want!

If any of you fine folks on this board are willing to help in this regard, PLEASE say so here, and let anyone who visits here, know that help is just around-the-corner! You have "real" friends here and "we" want to help!

Best regards,

Cyberguy

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Did a 'major-event' cause you to join/leave JW?s?

by cyberguy in

it seems to me, many people become jw?s after a major event in their lives.

perhaps it is the death of a loved-one, such as a father, mother, child, wife, or husband.

on the other hand, it?s also my observation that a "major-event" often causes an active jw to rethink what they are doing with their life, whether they are really in the "truth," as jw?s call it.

cyberguy

Oraacroth ? PLEASE don?t even consider yourself "insane" and wanting to "kill" yourself! If you think about it long enough, there?s people that love you and would truly miss you if you did something as serious as you are suggesting! A lot of people on this board are struggling! Ok, MOST on this board are struggling! They?re trying to determine if God exists and what the future will be! "Is there life after death?" Anyway, YOU?RE NOT ALONE! PLEASE VISIT WITH US OFTEN! Don?t get too discouraged if you can help it! Thank you for you self-evaluation on this subject and your post! Take care!

Cyberguy! (send me an email anytime -- worried about you!)

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You Reap what you SOW??!!

by Netty in

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i am so bummed right now.

my sister, who is df'd, has so many medical conditions, she suffers alot.

she has recently been dignosed with fibromyalgia, and is in such extreme pain, she had to have cortisone injections into various trigger points into her neck and spine.

cyberguy

My heart goes out to you "Netty!" Look after your sister as much as you can! I don't really know what to say here, but I just wanted to express my feelings regarding your dilemma! Wish YOU and your family the best! PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, DON?T LET THE DF-status of a family-member dictate how you will treat them, especially close family, like your sister! Hang in there!

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disassociated without baptism

by detective in

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i believe there was a topic about disfellowshipping an unbaptized person awhile back but i can't remember enough of the details to find it.. i was speaking with a friend yesterday who was disassociated as a young teenager, complete with a reading to the congregation and shunning, despite the fact that this person was never baptized.. (i tipped my hand a bit by blurting out that they aren't supposed to be able to do that if you aren't baptized.

way to go, smartie!

nice way to play it cool with how much research this non-jw has done, but that's beside the point.).

cyberguy

Yea "detective," they use to "disassociate" ones that had been associated with the Witnesses, but not baptized. Actually, they only did this with ones reporting "field service," from what I remember. "That" classified a person as a "brother!" However, what was strange was that if you were a baptized person, you could "disassociate" yourself, and not be treated as a disfellowshipped person! Now, I?m talking about the late 1960?s and early 1970?s! You would be treated as a "worldly person," BUT NOT SHUNNED! This is one of the reasons I got baptized in 1973! I believed that if I changed my mind, I wouldn?t be shunned, but just treated like a non-JW-believer! WELL, ALL THAT HAS CHANGED hasn?t it?

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California Problems For Watchtower Continuing!

by hawaiiandays in

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look at the newest items.

california.

anaheim: rosario rios villagomez (51, husband freddy) died after refusing a blood transfusion at martin luther king hospital in early 1999 and a watchtower representative blamed her gallstones instead of the bleeding+ http://ajwrb.org/victims/index.shtml arroyo: tony mendez died 6-6-95 at arroyo grande community hopsital after refusing blood transfusions + http://ajwrb.org/victims/index.shtml cahoga park: brendon hood (4 years old) died late january or early february [year not supplied] after parents refused blood transfusions + http://ajwrb.org/victims/index.shtml chino hills & chino north: steve morales a former bethelite was convicted for serial rape * (courtesy of kent steinhaug and verified in news account) costa mesa: on/about june 2001 a 17-year-old girl was arrested after she drove by on a bike & threw a homemade bomb into a kingdom hall in the 2200 block of canyon drive about 9:20 pm though it bounced so that there were no injuries or property damage downey: downey north congregation: gary l kreider (in late 40s) hanged himself 12-96 # fresno: lenae martinez (12) died 9-22-93 at valley children's hospital agreeing with her parents in refusing blood transfusion gridley: alleged pedophilia* .

cyberguy

Wow-ah! I guess, when you sum-up all the "crap" going on, this is what you get! Thanks for this post, truly! (Hey, from your moniker, are you in Hawaii? That's where I live... love to meet-up).

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Mrs Ozzie was saying.................

by ozziepost in

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they abuse them,

then they throw them away.

kinda fits the borg to a "t", doesn't it?

cyberguy

Right on Mrs Ozzie! I'm an X-Bethelite, but know where you're coming from! hehe! Anyway, love to visit you folks in "the land down-under." I'm just a hop-and-a-skip to OZ-land... I'm living in Hawaii. Or you folks are welcome here too!

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How do the 144,000 know who they are? Have any ever left?

by somebodylovesme in

how do witnesses know if they are one of the 144,000?

my husband, who was a witness for 20 years, couldn't really answer this one beyond "they just know".

how do those "lucky" 144,000 witnesses know who they are?

cyberguy

How do they know? The Society is not that specific, other than to say in some older publications that when such ones read the Bible, especially the Christian Greek Scriptures (JW-talk for the New Testament) they view it as a private "letter" from a father to a son/daughter. Here?s the problem, right off the bat! Shouldn?t all Christians have such feelings? Of course, the hope is no longer extended to anyone anyone, because Watchtower says that the literal number of 144,000 (their concept) was filled by 1935 or so (see my previous post about this issue), and therefore, any "replacements" would have to come from those "high-up" in the organization. Well, isn?t very convenient?

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How do the 144,000 know who they are? Have any ever left?

by somebodylovesme in

how do witnesses know if they are one of the 144,000?

my husband, who was a witness for 20 years, couldn't really answer this one beyond "they just know".

how do those "lucky" 144,000 witnesses know who they are?

cyberguy

All the stuff in Revelation is "symbolic!" I recall a "class" I had in Bethel, I guess around 1978, for new Bethelites. Anyway, Schroder (on the GB) led the discussion and opened the class to questions. One of the questions was, "how do we know that the 144,000" are a literal number?" Well, the answer he gave still haunts me today, since he never really answered the question, but gave-out a bunch of rhetoric from old Watchtowers! This got me thinking (which most JW?s are no longer able to do), "might the 144,000 be a symbolic number?" Anyway, most everything in Revelation is symbolic, so why not the 144,000? Take a good look at what the Bible actually says.

FACTS:

Israel ? Symbolic!

12 Tribes ? Symbolic!

12,000 in each tribe ? Symbolic!

The names of the tribes ? Symbolic!

The location of the 12 tribes ? Symbolic!

Somehow, when Watchtower adds-up the 12 symbolic tribes of 12,000 symbolic members, it becomes literal! Is this wacky or what?