Posts by cyberguy

let me preface this by saying i wanted to fade quietly........ i went to the mall and my husband called me on my cell to let me know 2 elders had stopped by (sun after mtg).

he told them that we had some questions and were looking into things.

they of course asked "like what kind of things".

Very interesting! However, because the elders and others believe the NWT was handed down by God, I've been successful in using 1 Cor 4:6 in the NWT to take issue with terminology concocted by the WT. Elders, and most JW’s, are not deep thinkers. It doesn’t take much to throw them a curve.

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Need a rebutal to elders!!!!!!!!!

by beaches in

let me preface this by saying i wanted to fade quietly........ i went to the mall and my husband called me on my cell to let me know 2 elders had stopped by (sun after mtg).

he told them that we had some questions and were looking into things.

they of course asked "like what kind of things".

cyberguy

Drew Matthew 20:1-16 shows that people are not given a better reward simply for when they become followers of the master. How then is it that only people born before a certain date will go to heaven? Great point Drew! Beaches The earthly “Organization” is the same as the “faithful slave” and “anointed remnant” (according to WT). In other words, unless you are part of the “anointed remnant” you are not part of God’s earthly “Organization.” That means that 99+% of the “other sheep”-JW’s are not part of the “Organization,” but must wait until the end of the “thousand years!” At this time they only support the “Organization” but are not in it! Now I know this sounds ridiculous, crazy even, and it is! Even more bizarre is that most JW’s are not aware of this teaching. And I’ll add, they really can’t explain many of the other strange teachings of the WT either! I can try and scan a copy of talk-outline dealing with the “Organization,” the one that elders use for public talks. I recall hearing the “Organization” talk some 4/5 years ago when I use to attend, and was very disturbed by it, and so looked up the actual outline the elder had to have used; I have a copy of all the public talks (I use to give many of them). What I find so interesting is that the term has taken on additional meaning, in that most JW’s think about the WT corporations, the superstructure and hierarchy of men as the “organization!” I’m sure that when this terminology began to be used in the 1930’s, that this was the intent! What I mean is, they needed some way to explain how it was possible that a small group of men at the helm of a book printing company should be in charge of all the world wide congregations – thus the birth of the “organization.” Here’s another way to think about it. If the early “organization” is the same as the “Christian Congregation” then why introduce another term? Why not just say “Christian Congregation?” (By the way, only the anointed are truly part of the “Christian Congregation” too – according to WT). The reason is obvious, you can’t explain the superstructure of control, “guided” by the WT corporate president (who ran things before the GB arrangement in the early 1970’s), without it! A final point to consider is this:

(1 Corinthians 4:6-7) 6 Now, brothers, these things I have transferred so as to apply to myself and A•pol´los for YOUR good, that in our case YOU may learn the [rule]: “Do not go beyond the things that are written,” in order that YOU may not be puffed up individually in favor of the one against the other.

Where is the “Organization” directly stated in the Bible? If the “Organization” is the same as the “Christian Congregation,” then why not just use that?

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How does mainstream Christianity explain "Other Sheep"?

by Alana in

i'm preparing for a potential discussion with my mom and, especially if it occurs near this memorial time, the discussion may contain the "other sheep" and how they are different and shouldn't partake of the emblems, etc.

i know that i probably have this information researched already, but since my last move i can't find some my research materials.

i could also ask the pastor of the church i attend, but that involves too much discussion as to what the jw's believe, etc.

cyberguy

John 10 begins with “Most truly I say to YOU…” The context of John 9:40-41, shows that Jesus was talking to the Pharisees. In the illustration, Jesus liked these to “a thief and a plunderer.” Furthermore John 10:6 says “Jesus spoke this comparison to them.” Therefore, the question becomes which “sheepfold” did the Pharisees claim authority over? Did it include the Gentiles, as the WT line of argumentation would suggest? (They’re on slippery ground when then claim that the “sheepfold” of John 10:1-6 includes both Jews and Gentiles!) Consequently, the “other sheep” (John 10:16) must be referring to Gentiles.

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May 15 WT - Survival depends on loyal association with the organization

by truthseeker in

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with the recent wt articles stressing how "new light" has appeared over the decades, this article is geared towards making sure individuals are active within the organization in order to ensure their survival.. this article is taken from e-watchman's discussion board, this is not my article.. .

http://e-jehovahs-witnesses.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=1019&st=0.

just got a hold of the new may 15, 2006 watchtower containing the study article, "are you prepared for survival?

cyberguy

atypical,

I've been told that at the recent elder's school, instructions (similar to what I heard some 8+ years ago when I attended elder's school) were given to ask inactive ones if they wanted to be a JW. If they say "no," then they are to be DA'd!

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Inspiration or perspiration?

by cyberguy in

many chiasmic movements like the jws, quote 2 timothy 3:16, all scripture is inspired of god, to promote the concept that everything written in our modern bible is gods direct thoughts, that the bible contains secret messages that only by revelation by a superior being, can anyone know without divine revelation.

one cited expression is the bibles phrase circle of the earth.

(they have some ridiculous explanation on the hebrew, which is completely idiotic, from my recollection.

cyberguy

Good point Leolaia!

That's what I am saying. Much of the sacred text is of people searching for God! And there is nothing wrong with that! And “opinion” is not unimportant, or apostate! It is completely valid (with relation to the period of time when such statements were made -- i.e., women and "head covering?"), especially when exclaimed by writers like Paul. As Paul says, he had his “opinions!” And he didn’t force “opinions” on early Christians did he? Neither was he fearful of saying something countered by “GB-standards” in Jerusalem (as the WT would have it – there was NO GB in Jerusalem, as you know!). How refreshing that would be as compared to the GB-today, who imposes their opinions on everyone, and on every aspect of life! How different things would be if they would say something like, well, this is our“opinion” of the GB --- such-and-such! NO! They say, they are directed by God, and this is what God has said! Follow us, or you are rebelous and thefore, you should DIE!

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Can you be disfellowshipped for missing the Memorial ?

by google_mE in

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have you ever heard of a jw being disfellowshipped for missing the memorial on purpose ?.

just curious.. -me

cyberguy

As far as I know, this has never happened. Of course, you never know what will happen in the future. There seems to be a radical element now in control in Brooklyn, and there is no telling what may happen in the future!

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Inspiration or perspiration?

by cyberguy in

many chiasmic movements like the jws, quote 2 timothy 3:16, all scripture is inspired of god, to promote the concept that everything written in our modern bible is gods direct thoughts, that the bible contains secret messages that only by revelation by a superior being, can anyone know without divine revelation.

one cited expression is the bibles phrase circle of the earth.

(they have some ridiculous explanation on the hebrew, which is completely idiotic, from my recollection.

cyberguy

Leloaia,

Yes, a status as "scripture" but not totally "inpiried," although much of it was evidently considered part of the "inspired scriptures" at some time. -- see 2 Peter 3:14-16. His text was considered part of the sacred writings, but as he himslef says, some comments are of his own opion. No? Just my 2-cents!

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Comments You Will Not Hear at the 4-9-06 WT Study (Recreation)

by blondie in

(a) why is it difficult to find acceptable recreation?

q 6, 7. what can help you decide what is acceptable or unacceptable.

9 at times, christians ask: "what is acceptable recreation?

cyberguy

Hey blondie!

I read all your WT-reviews, but I don't comment that often because extreme nausea typically sets in. However, keep it coming! Love your coverage!