Hey Rules,
Was this a "Special Talk" or from a new talk outline given to edlers. If a new talk outline, can you find out the outline # and I'll post a scanned copy of it (I have most of the current outlines).
Thanks!
cyberguy
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March 4th Public Talk....''Satan and Demons use many traps to stumble us.''
by RULES & REGULATIONS inthe public talk was how satan uses his demons to stumble us.satan knows where we live,work and what we do at work and home.his demons use television,music,the internet,movies,sex and apostates to stumble faithful jehovah's witnesses.. the "spiritually weak" are what the demons look for because they can be attacked so easily.these are the ones who don't have studies with their families,watch too much television,go on the internet looking at apostate sites, brothers and sisters who are obsessed with sex,taking too many vacations,the love of money and all the pleasures of this world.that is why the wts loose so many members each year.. what they never tell you the real reason why most members leave are:,.
lack of love,elders as judges arrangment,inconstistency in teachings,1914 generation change,theological dishonesty,scholastic ineptitude,favoritism within the boe,hypocrisy, and false prophesies.. .
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My plan--fully revealed
by Junction-Guy ini think most of you already know what i have been planning.
i have mentioned it somewhat already.
i have sent bits of pieces of my story to several christian ministries, and they want to know more.
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cyberguy
Hey dude,
I don't know what to say here, just that I'm sorry for you, I just don't understand. I have no idea about your struggles! I'm sorry for you, because you are obviously hurting! Perhaps, only you know what troubles you, and will have to figure it out in the long run. Obviously, strong emotions are flying around in your head, and you're trying to sort things out. Your x-wife must be a wonderful person for still talking to you and wanting to be your friend, since most (JW) women would have left you long in the dust! And where people are unsure about their sexuality, I believe it is similar to the JW-thing, i.e., some leave and join a church, only to find that they don't fit there either! You may be experiencing something similar, but with your sexuality. I simply don't know. You may wish to seek a help from a professional like you say. I wish you the best on your journey, however! Take care, and we at the JWD board, are always here for you! PEACE! Hang in there!
Cyber!
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New cancer treatment with inexpensive therapy -- DCA
by cyberguy inthere's something new that may help those with cancer.
i hope this may give some encouragement to those with cancer issues.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn10971-cheap-safe-drug-kills-most-cancers.html.
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cyberguy
There's something new that may help those with cancer. I hope this may give some encouragement to those with cancer issues.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn10971-cheap-safe-drug-kills-most-cancers.html
http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Alberta/2007/01/17/3394829.html
http://www.depmed.ualberta.ca/dca/
Unlike other cancer drugs, DCA did not appear to have any negative effect on normal cells. A manufactured molecule, DCA is widely available at “every chemistry store,” Bonnet said. It could provide an extremely inexpensive cancer therapy because it’s not patented.
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Do Elders find the inactive and faders hard to deal with?
by RULES & REGULATIONS ini've been inactive for 5 years now.i was taken off the ministry school, no hours in service, don't comment at the watchtower study and only attend 1 meeting per week.the elders try to see if i want to study with someone and i refuse.. have the elders marked me without telling me?
do they want to bother with members like me?
what is their next step?
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cyberguy
You might want to be careful (assuming you just want to fade and not be DA'd) about some of the probing questions that elders may ask you. At the last elder's shool I attended some years ago (I've faded away a little over 2 years now), they had us write down several questions that we should ask inactive ones. One was, "Do you still consider yourself one of Jehovah's Witnesses?" We were told that if the person said "yes" then offer a Bible study and a pickup for meetings, but if they said "no" it would be grounds to make an anouncement that such-and-such "is no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses."
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What Have YOU Learned Since Leaving???
by minimus inanything you'd like to share with us??
i learned that i truly was in a cult.
i originally hated that thought.
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cyberguy
I learned that I should have gone to college instead of pioneering and Bethel. I regret not saving money for retirement or making plans for when I can no longer work; now I’m in real trouble at my age! I realize now how little of the Bible I really understood as a JW for 44 years. I could go on-and-on, but these issues come immediately to mind.
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i'm still alive...
by thebiggestlie ini want to thank all of you for all your thoughtful pms.
i'll respond to them in time but can't at the moment.
i wanted to just check in and let you know that i'm doing relatively ok. the confrontation with my parents was a bit sticky.
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cyberguy
TBL,
I’m so sorry it didn’t go as well as you might have hoped for. As you know, JW’s have an answer for everything, even it is merely “wait on Jehobr”.
Regarding just using Society publications, this shouldn’t be much of a problem, because the publications are full of self-incriminating content! You mentioned on another thread that you are home schooled. Then, I would ask your “teacher” about a little grammar issue you were having trouble with in the “Require” brochure. Lesson 14, “How Jehobr’s are Organized,” par. 4-6. Note that it has (lower case) “elders or overseers” and that “these men are not elevated above the rest of the congregation. There are not given special titles.” Then go to par. 6, and note that there are (lower case) “elders” who form a “central group” at the “world headquarters of JW’s," “Located there is the Governing Body.” Whoa! Ask your “teacher,” “why is Governing Body capitalized?” What are the rules of grammar that they are following? Then ask, “please explain why some elders do have special titles.” Anyway, there’s a ton of this stuff throughout their literature.
You can even have a lot of fun with the latest junk from the Rev. Climax book, when they go over subjects like how those of the leadership (GB) are still directing matters here on earth from their resurrected positions in heaven. Ask you parents how this is supposed to work. How do they communicate with the living today? What about all the flip-flops and abandonment of teachings over the years? If they were being directeded by resurrected ones, then what kind of direction were they really getting?
Anyway, try to have a little fun with this! You never know what questions you may ask that may cause your parents to reexamine their own beliefs!
With kindly regards,
Cyber
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Great Crowd Appeared in 1930's........or did it?
by drew sagan inthe basic premise for this post came from some comments td made in a thread many months ago.
(read the full thread here : link) .
the specific point i wanted to discuss is the 'great crowd' theology the wts puts forth, especially the timeline of events it presents as accurate.
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cyberguy
TD,
From what I recall, you are correct in stating that they believed the Great Tribulation had already begun and they were living through it! However, if I’m not mistaken, they changed this view circa 1962-1964. Not that this is a big deal, but they preached it had began in 1914. I was a young boy in the 1960’s when the change was made, and I recall two pioneer sisters (old-timers) coming over the house and explaining to my mom what she missed by not attending the DC (my dad would not allow us to attend). The two sisters were shaken by the change! I guess at the time, it was as monumental as the more recent “generation” change.
With kindly regards,
Cyber
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Shunned by the congregation for not performing
by truthseeker inas many of you know, i am a witness who still attends for the sake of my wife.
my meeting attendance has dropped to about 50% and i make maybe 1 hour a month in field service, although i report more than this to keep the elder's off my back.. after several months of this, the result has been noticeable.. those who used to be friendly and greet me no longer do so.
some even avoid me.
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cyberguy
Truthseeker,
What you describe happened to me after I “slowed down.” Then, after I stopped going to meetings, an elder came by my house and said I should return to God and to meetings so that I can have “limited association.” “Limited association?” What is that supposed to mean? No thanks! I’ll find friends elsewhere. I don't need that kind of "association."
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Great Crowd Appeared in 1930's........or did it?
by drew sagan inthe basic premise for this post came from some comments td made in a thread many months ago.
(read the full thread here : link) .
the specific point i wanted to discuss is the 'great crowd' theology the wts puts forth, especially the timeline of events it presents as accurate.
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cyberguy
Drew,
You make a good point that as time goes on a large number of the “great crowd” will have passed away. Of course, their argument will be that these are really “other sheep” and are only of the “great crowd” when they actually become survivors of the Great Tribulation.
This two class system isn’t anything new, because from the beginning this group was separated as a secondary heavenly class, the door being shut in 1914 (if I recall correctly, and some other dates too), until it was bumped to circa 1935.
The main problem here is that they believe that the 144,000 is a literal number, that the number started to be fulfilled from the 1st century onward, and because of this position, they needed to account for the growing number of members. What I find very strange is that in their publications Ephesians 4 is referenced to support their argument that there is only one truth faith (Eph 4:5) but fail to recognize that vs 4 states there is only one hope! And one means one, no?
Cyber,
Just a side note:
The notion that the 144,000 began to be selected in the 1st century onward does not fit the context of Rev. 7 in that the number heard was in response to a the question asked at the end of chapter 6 as to “who will stand?” Therefore, it would seem that the selection would occur just before the plagues and hence would be associated with the end-time. Furthermore, the 144,000 (in chapt 7) are located on earth; they would not need protection if they were already resurrected to heaven. Also, John only hears the number, because John (in the vision) is in heaven, before the throne of God. He could not see the 144,000 on earth. He was stationed in heaven, before God’s throne after being asked to go through an “open door” (see chapt 4) which transported him from earth to heaven. Finally, the “Great Crowd” (or Large Crowd) can be seen by John, because they are in heaven where he was. The expression “the Great Tribulation” may refer to the general “tribulation” that Christians are subject to. As we know, some have faced an untimely death due to persecution (check other translations that leave the article out). It’s my understanding that in Greek, the definite article is included when something is referenced in the past (I’m sure there are others here on this board that can explain this more fully). Therefore, there is no need to conclude that it is a specific event (the big “A”) that the “Great Crowd” goes through.
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cyberguy
I like it. Did you draw it, purplesofa?