i know from going door to door that people are generally divided as to who god is.
what are your thoughts?
is jesus almighty god?
Hellrider, not much time here sorry, but I believe Jn 8:58 is unique both in its contextual grammar to make its importance time, but also it differs linguistically from all the other "I am [he]" statements. I see all these (extra non- Jn 8:58) ego eimis as being nothing more than part of Jesus' claim to be the promised Messiah, not YHWH, and nothing else. To assume more is to violate and presume upon the texts.
I am not feeling well and might head for bed. See you all in several hours.
AlanF, I've known him for over 8 years. Billy Corgan, I've known him about 10. Both are gods in my opinion.
i know from going door to door that people are generally divided as to who god is.
what are your thoughts?
is jesus almighty god?
Zen nudist, you're exactly right and if I were a Christian/Catholic, while I would accept the trinity as a matter of accepting tradition, I could not buy into the scholastic approach that tie Jn 8:58 to Ex 3:14 making Jesus "the" ego eimi ho on.
And Joe Malik had a good point about the LXX copies being stored away but I am not tied to reductionist thinking and have to insist the actual apostle John wrote the book so the encounter in Jn 8 with the Jews very well could have been a later addition. I don't know, who was the first so-called church father to advance the argument that Jesus was "the I AM"? I don't think Origen did. Maybe Justin?
Edited to add: I spoke to a Jew once who was arguing with trinitarian Messianic Jews (Jews for Jesus) and he told me that in Judaism, it is anathema to believe that the Messiah would be YHWH himself.
i know from going door to door that people are generally divided as to who god is.
what are your thoughts?
is jesus almighty god?
LT and hellrider, I appreciate your points and respect them, but it hurt me to read them because I'm very sorry, but I must disagree. I just got back from occupational therapy and had new 2 new hand splints made for me and I need to bathe and take care of some hygiene issues so I'm a little busy and now my WT-CDROM won't work. I will edit this post later when I can get it to work to provide some black-and-white basis for my assertions.
Edited to add: OK, I called my dad and explained to him what's going on so he is going to give me his 1991 WTCDROM; my mom is going to bring it to me in a few hours. So I'll try to make my posting some time tonight. Isn't it great that I have JW parents who will give me a WT CD for apostate purposes?
last night my ex boyfriend finally admitted to me that he cheated on me whilst we were going out.
we split up about 7 years ago.
what is irking me most is that i've asked him before if he had and he totally denied it.
lol. do you like movies about gladiators? lol.. couldnt resist.
not to trivialize crumpet's problem, but isn't it amazing that we can sit halfway around the world and offer advice to her. Unheard of to our ancestor of yesteryear!
Added off-topic: 25 replies is not enough for me, and the board is unwilling to let me start a new topic. It says I just started one 40 minutes ago. 40 minutes ago I wan't home! I had a JW-like experience today I am dying to share, but I have nowhere to share it 'cause I don't want to hijack anyone's thread. :((
last night my ex boyfriend finally admitted to me that he cheated on me whilst we were going out.
we split up about 7 years ago.
what is irking me most is that i've asked him before if he had and he totally denied it.
I essentially agree with finally-free and sweet tea. I would like to add that while I feel like I could never cheat on my girl, Darwinian baggage sometimes has our genes telling us that to do otherwise when the chemical synapses in our brains start firing cause it just feels so damned good and exciting to be with someone new, and even to be "bad", I have in the past maintained friendships with men who casually cheated on their significant others. Why? Cause I valued their friendship to me. But honestly they are/were calculating, cold-blooded bastards.
I guess all I can say to you is, contemporary morality seems to be swayed towards "if you do have sex with him/her, be protected against disease." I can't argue against that model, but we're hard-wired and then "enlightenedly" programmed by the last few hundred years of "progressive" society for a lot more consequences than that. I think there would always exist an element of distrust, maybe jealousy, between you and he, and I couldn't live with that in a monogamous romantic relationship. Neither could B.B. King or his first wife, it's what killed their marriage.
"you call yourself a christian, i call you a hypocrite/you call yourself a patriot, well i think you're full of sh*t."
speaking to newsweek, jagger explained the background to the track.
"it is direct.
I've always loved Mick. Sometimes on Yahoo messenger these lyrics from Pantera are my status:
"Give me alcohol extremeties
Instead of proofless christianity
Drunked up in a coma place
Critics disgusted, but a smile on my f*****g face
I do anything that I want
And I get everything that I ask
And if this message bothers you, you know
Just kiss my f*****g ass hole"
(Taken from 2000's Reinventing the Steel, song: Uplift)
Edited to add: 25 replies and 1 topic a day is not enough for me. What's up with this software anyway? I just made this post 5 minutes ago and the Editing Limit says the post was made 4 hours ago.
Reedited to add: And, somehow the lyrics I posted got spaced apart by this software so I fixed it (I hope).
Last edit: I personally haven't been drunk in a long time, I just dig the lyrics.
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i'll start.. guster.
I know Rasputina pretty well. Those chicks can rock, man. Lots of soul in their playing too, very important to me.
To answer joel's question, I'd have to answer by: the various incarnations of Ron Hawkins. Not Ronnie Hawkins, but Ron Hawkins from Toronto. He started the Lowest of the Low (and has reunited that band for the past couple of years), went solo, but my favorite time was the late '90s when he was Ron Hawkins and the Rusty Nails. Just sheer rock&roll brilliance, like he came out of 1957, and you can dance to it!
Of course my all-time favorite is Jethro Tull, not the Aqualung, Locomotive Breath, Teacher, Living In the Past Tull, but the songs that nobody knows about, or that the band still plays to 6-8,000 people around 200 nights a year. I have seen them 14 times in the last 12 years, driven as far as Detroit from Buffalo to catch them in the grand old Fox Theater downtown. Some of their B-sides and C-sides and D-sides and plumbing even deeper into their recordings is orgasmic to me.
Edited to add: 25 replies and one topic a day is not enough!
developments like this are highly significant!
while nobody is close to creating a treatment to end aging now, that doesn't mean.
they won't have one in 20 years or so.
This coupled with a practical application of the Hedonistic Imperative does exactly what the Watchower promises but fails to recognize. I never miss your posts, metatron. I'm afraid on topic a day and 25 replies a day is not enough for me right now and I might abandon the board, it is too frustrating, I have too much to say on this and other such topics and I can find other avenues to express myself. Thanks for the post! Edited to add: link to the Intro to the Hedonistic Imperative, which would have to go hand-in-hand with anti-aging I should think: http://www.hedweb.com/hedethic/hedonist.htm (sorry, it's a very long read)
i know from going door to door that people are generally divided as to who god is.
what are your thoughts?
is jesus almighty god?
LT, thanks for posting that for me. :) I've watched you from afar over the last few years and I admire your spirit of justice!
It is true that technically speaking JW christology differs from the traditional one (although you yourself while espousing traditionalist views might fundamentally disagree with say an Eastern Orthodox believer on the essence of God), but it is untrue that JWs write of or think about Jesus as a "mere angel" in servitude to God Jehovah as the rest of the angels are. Jesus occupies a position far above the angels in the writings and the hearts of JWs. He is duplexed with Michael in that he fills the office, role, duty, function, etc. of 'archangel' and is said to "seemingly" characterize Michael, but his nature and essence now post-resurrection is that of Jehovah God himself, which angels are not. The 144,000 are also said to attain this level of godly being. I could come up with hundreds of references in contemporary WT literature to prove what I said about JW feelings about the risen and now established king (via 1914's birth of the kingdom) Christ, and I could come up with some obscure WTs that demonstrate and substantiate my points on christ's nature being far above angelic. I just have enough difficulty typing with my injury.
