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man long ago left the natural order of things that keep the earth as a living habitat in balance and healthy.. he now manipulates the earth to make it bend to his wishes so that he can create paper (worthless profit), accumulate multiples of what he needs to survive and make himself as comfortable as he possibly can.. as the billions in the developing countries become more consumptive the world will eventually be used up.. that will be the true armageddon that mankind will face.
I think the earth, properly advanced, can handle 10 to 15 billion people, no problem. And I think science will copy what Star Trek called replicators, machines that could on command reproduce "stuph", even food that satisfies our palletes without the need to slaughter millions of non-humans sentients.
I used to espouse Ben Franklin's philosophy: "Always be a pessimist, that way you'll never be disappointed." Phooey on that now.
... but there's nothing better than the love and understanding of those who care about, love you, and demonstrate it.. like the wizard of oz told the tin man (and i paraphrase here), the measure of a man's worth is not how much he loves others, but rather how much others love him.. i feel very loved, and i appreciate all of you here on jwd as well.
good debates and good fun makes my world go 'round.
big hugs to all of you (except billygoat who has broken my heart
kls, certainly a lot better than I did just a few months ago! It's in the archives for all to see, but I ain't givin' out no hyperlinks.
... but there's nothing better than the love and understanding of those who care about, love you, and demonstrate it.. like the wizard of oz told the tin man (and i paraphrase here), the measure of a man's worth is not how much he loves others, but rather how much others love him.. i feel very loved, and i appreciate all of you here on jwd as well.
good debates and good fun makes my world go 'round.
big hugs to all of you (except billygoat who has broken my heart
Thanks Jeff, old friend (I use that term a lot these days but it's always with much affection). I'll email you soon.
kls, I'm feeling better emotionally lately, although I have my worse days. Not to belittle you, but you likely know 5% of what I've been through. I can drive a psychotherapist batty in 20 minutes. But thank you very much for your kind words. :)
Edited to add: Oh Joel. I was up to 205 lbs. and you might have been into me then, but my cholesterol was 260 so I dropped 50 lbs. and got my cholesterol down to 140. Doc was amazed. Just changed my diet was all. Now that I'm skinny and shaved my head, I'm not bear-like at all, sorry. :( http://members.aol.com/cygnus97/pics/me81105.jpg
... but there's nothing better than the love and understanding of those who care about, love you, and demonstrate it.. like the wizard of oz told the tin man (and i paraphrase here), the measure of a man's worth is not how much he loves others, but rather how much others love him.. i feel very loved, and i appreciate all of you here on jwd as well.
good debates and good fun makes my world go 'round.
big hugs to all of you (except billygoat who has broken my heart
... but there's nothing better than the love and understanding of those who care about, love you, and demonstrate it.
Like the Wizard of Oz told the tin man (and I paraphrase here), the measure of a man's worth is not how much he loves others, but rather how much others love him.
I feel very loved, and I appreciate all of you here on JWD as well. Good debates and good fun makes my world go 'round. Big hugs to all of you (except Billygoat who has broken my heart ).
i know from going door to door that people are generally divided as to who god is.
what are your thoughts?
is jesus almighty god?
I've read articles written by 7th Day Adventists, and by neo-classic trinitarians, that identify Michael with Jesus in passages such as Daniel 12 and Revelation 12. It just goes to show that dogmatism stifles the imaination. And, BTW, the WT seems to generally qualify their Michael=Jesus platform, much like I just spoke of their position (e.g. "seems to", and "would reasonably appear that"). Edited to add: I know I said I'd back out of this thread, but I can't help but toss this bit of WT propaganda in.
*** w69 12/1 p. 735 Questions from Readers ***The exalted Jesus Christ and the anointed Christians resurrected to rule in heaven with him are actually on a higher level than the spirit creatures normally called angels. Jesus and his anointed followers in heaven are immortal. (1 Tim. 6:15, 16; 1 Cor. 15:51-54) In contrast, the angels are mortal, as can be seen from the fact that Satan and his disobedient angels will be destroyed. (Rev. 20:10, 14; Luke 8:30, 31) Additionally, the Bible shows that Christ has been elevated above the angels and that his anointed followers will share in judging angels.—Heb. 1:4; Phil. 2:9-11; 1 Cor. 6:3.
Nonetheless, Jesus after his resurrection is still called Michael the archangel. (Jude 9; Rev. 12:7) And it appears that the exalted Jesus is referred to as an angel in Revelation 20:1 for, as God’s king, he is the logical one to bind Satan and the demons. So evidently, the term "angel" as designating an office may be used in a general sense to refer to all heavenly spirit creatures. (Emphasis, bold and italics, mine)
i know from going door to door that people are generally divided as to who god is.
what are your thoughts?
is jesus almighty god?
Yes, the WT picks and chooses. And yes, while Jesus and the 144,000 will be indestructible, they will always be subject and inferior to Jehovah, both in will and I guess in substance.
Again, it's arguing angels on the head of a pin...
LT, don't pick on Joe. I like his ideas, they're different. What's wrong with a little difference to shake things up in the ol' gulliver? Besides, if you read the context of Col 1 you might find it's talking about future subjects and participants of God's Kingdom.
Edited to add, in response to LT's post underneath mine, cause I don't want to waste posts today: OK LT, sorry, I know underneath that tough exterior you bring out in these type of threads, ultimately you're a kind soul. And you've definitely got one thing right: Joe Malik is as tough as the day is long. :)
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man long ago left the natural order of things that keep the earth as a living habitat in balance and healthy.. he now manipulates the earth to make it bend to his wishes so that he can create paper (worthless profit), accumulate multiples of what he needs to survive and make himself as comfortable as he possibly can.. as the billions in the developing countries become more consumptive the world will eventually be used up.. that will be the true armageddon that mankind will face.
I'm not a trekkie, but I'm a big Star Trek fan. I believe what it preaches as man's destiny and self-meaning: to constantly learn, grow and progress in the most ethical fashion, do away with the concept of money, advance medical techniques to where what we practice in 2005 will be considered butchery and medievalism, and maybe find other planets to live on, and other alien races to share our knowledge and wares with. I prefer to think in those terms, joel my old friend. Keeps me happier. Otherwise I'd wanna kill myself.
i've had bhp for several years, but last week it became so enlarged i couldn't pee.
the urologist let me see if it would shrink by leaving me on catheterization for several days and remove it to see if i could pee, no luck.
today he looked at my bladder through my penis.
Boy Ken, you're tough. When they yanked the catheter out of me post-ICU I was writhing in pain and pissed razor blades and broken glass for a week.
i've had bhp for several years, but last week it became so enlarged i couldn't pee.
the urologist let me see if it would shrink by leaving me on catheterization for several days and remove it to see if i could pee, no luck.
today he looked at my bladder through my penis.
Ken, good luck my old friend
hey y'all,.
i recently got this film on dvd and it is so on-point with its cynical look at religion and belief systems.
i laughed 'till i cried.
Matt Damon in the airport near the beginning of the movie (which included cameos of some of Smith's friends who also appeared in Clerks) after speaking to the nun, addressing Ben Afflick (from my memory): "Man, I just love fucking with the clergy."
It's a good movie, Comedy Central unfortunately kills it by censoring it. It is in my top 50 of great films.
