Gee, I would hazard a guess that the Freeminds site would contain all the relevant info you seek.
Posts by Cygnus
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12I could use some help........need to get it right 1st time.
by BLISSISIGNORANCE init's been ages since i have posted anything on the forum.
i guess life outside the borg is busy and rewarding!.
to get straight to the point, my daughter rang me today to tell me her boyfriend's step dad (an inactive dub for many years........1st time i'ld heard) was studying again and was moving toward going back to the borg.
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Trinity- True or False
by defd ini know from going door to door that people are generally divided as to who god is.
what are your thoughts?
is jesus almighty god?
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Cygnus
OK, it's late here and it's difficult for me to type but I want to add just a bit of reply:
Firstly, Bigdog, regarding the holy spirit, the Bible may be using what in literary terms is known as personification and so the spirit speaking or whatever does not automatically make it a person in and of itself.
Secondly, Hellrider, comparing "ego eimi" in John 8:58 to "ego eimi HO ON" in Ex. 3:14 in the LXX and concluding that Jesus is calling himself Jehovah ("I AM") is a ridiculous argument. It supposes that, speaking in Aramaic, Jesus' Aramaic words were instantly translated in the minds of the Jews and so understood in Greek by the Jews, who jumped back to Exodus 3:14, but, then, instead of thinking of Exodus in Hebrew, thought of it in Greek (i.e. the LXX), and entirely forgot about the HO ON part, which roughly means "The Being." Jesus didn't declare to be "ego eimi HO ON." None of your posted argument holds water unless you want to say the later Johaninne community put those words into Jesus' mouth and manufactured the Jews' vehement response. Which renders it entirely meaningless since you'd have to make an admission the conversation never actually took place.
Thirdly, there are no extant MSS of the NT that have existed. All we have are copies, and some bad ones at that, and very many that disagree with each other. None of these copies contain the Tetragram - so the WT asserts the original autographs did contain it, some 237 times, and it was removed. It's too late and I don't feel like finding my WTCDROM but in the Appendix of the big brown study version of the NWT the WTS quotes George Howard's hypothesis that it could have been there and removed. Howard thinks the WT has gone too far with his theory. All ya gotta do is read it to find the WTS' explanation as to why they used "Jehovah" instead of "Lord" in the Christian Greek Scriptures (as well as a few Hebrew-to-German translations that decided to "restore" the divine name, designated J with a corresponding #, in the footnotes).
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The Dream of the Image in Daniel
by jula71 injust had to suffer through a book study tonight and one idea jumped out at me.
i think the whole interpretation is being over-thought or twisted to match history.
i think the interpretation is much simpler.
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Cygnus
Sounds as good as anything else I've read........... I think.
Just remember, "Daniel" didn't write Daniel. It was composed in the 2nd century BCE. All the events it describes in that context had already occurred. It was not prophecy, it was disguised as such,
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Many many books from library on 586/87
by ithinkisee ini have listed all the books i found at the library that mention 586/87 as the fall of jerusalem.
i was also able to link to all of them (except the first one listed) on amazon.com!
many are out of print or unavailable as new books but you can buy almost all of them used on amazon.com ... some are only $10-12 each!
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Cygnus
Scholar said:
: I do not have to explain anything as the Bible itself provides its own chronology and history.
It most certainly does not. The Bible dates things in relative terms (such and such king reigned for so long) but in itself contains no absolute dates. The anchor date generally accepted as fact by both historians and the Watchtower is the year Cyrus overthrew Babylon - in 539 BCE. The Insight I volume on "Chronology" does a decent job demonstrating how this date is..... er.... dated. Everything has to work backwards from that anchor date. You won't find it in the Bible however. Astonomical clues and copied record keeping give us our best guess. The Society's interpretation is clearly demolished by Jeremiah 25 where the king of Babylon is said to be punished when the seventy years have expired. The Watchtower only accounts for 68 years. Besides, there were a few Jews left behind in 587. The land was not completely laid "desolate" when Zedekiah was killed. Other expatriations continued to occur. The prophecy was primarily that of servitude to Babylon, the land's desolation(s) were simply corrollarry to that. I say desolation(s) because that is what I believe Daniel 2:1 says, plural (going off the top of my head here). Jeremiah in fact urged servitude to the Chaldean monarch and the timing of such letters to the Jews therin completely conflicts with Watchtower chronology. I'm afraid you're not much more than a troll here, scholar.
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Older men dating teenagers/Lolitas
by wanderlustguy inlolitas older men with little girls.
i promised myself only 30 minutes on thisso the timer starts now.
my perspective on this is probably different than most, i am a male, 32 years old.
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Cygnus
The book "Lolita" is on my reading list. It sits no more than 2 feet from where I sit to read or talk on the phone.
If you consider (in particular, amateur) pornography, the "women" have gotten progressively younger and younger (Traci Lords not withstanding). Teenage girls these days look and behave far older than 20 years ago when I was teen-aged. I won't go into the many reasons for this but there are many. My girl is 32 and she always had older men, 20 years her superior, check her out since she was 15. Consistently, today 50+ men are interested in her. I suppose there exists an evolutionary biological reason (justification?) for this type of behavior. However, in my own mind, what in the world would I have in common with a girl 20 years my younger? I simply don't understand relationships built entirely on physical attraction. I made that mistake as a 19 year old JW who got married to a gorgeous 20 year old JW, and would never repeat it with a younger woman/girl.
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Im Sad! My Mom is slowly dying from a rare disease!
by ButtLight inshe has something called, corticobasildegeneration.
yeah i know what a name!
its a disease that shrinks the brain, and there is no cure for it!
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Cygnus
I certainly don't belong in a position to advise you, but I'm quite sure, no matter how heartbreaking it might be to experience, that I would house and look after my aged and ill father/mother in a NY minute. And if they accidentally did something irresponsible and e.g. burned down the house, so be it. My love and feelings of responsibility towards my aged parents would outweigh that scenario. After all, they spent years with me, raising me, as a naive child who could have done extreme damage. Nursing homes have their place, but I'll reiterate a notion you described, I'd sleep on the pull-out sofa if need be.
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Are You A Male Chauvenist?
by Legolas inare you the type of guy that has to drive even if it is your wife's car?
my husband is not.
we both have our own, but my husbands drives a truck, so going to the meetings i nearly always drove because it is my vehicle, i was never talked to about this, but from the 'looks' i got from the elders i know i would have been if we were still there!
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Cygnus
I've always absolutely hated being a passenger, no matter who else is driving. However I have to admit the one person I didn't mind doing the driving for me was my ex-wife. She was a very good driver and I recall her driving to the meetings with me passenging and nobody ever gave me trouble for it. How silly for someone to comment that it would be more appropriate for the man to be doing the driving. My life-mate now doesn't even drive, so the decision is settled.
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Many many books from library on 586/87
by ithinkisee ini have listed all the books i found at the library that mention 586/87 as the fall of jerusalem.
i was also able to link to all of them (except the first one listed) on amazon.com!
many are out of print or unavailable as new books but you can buy almost all of them used on amazon.com ... some are only $10-12 each!
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Cygnus
The Lukian community post-temple destruction was trying to make sense of why Jehovah allowed Titus' armies to destroy the centerpiece of his worship to be destroyed. The text has nothing to do with a 2520 year time period and to read such into the text does severe violence to it. There is really no other inescapable conclusion, and the Society's (and Adventist's for that matter) calculations and speculations are not and never have been taken seriously by honest-to-goodness bible interpreters and scholars.
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Many many books from library on 586/87
by ithinkisee ini have listed all the books i found at the library that mention 586/87 as the fall of jerusalem.
i was also able to link to all of them (except the first one listed) on amazon.com!
many are out of print or unavailable as new books but you can buy almost all of them used on amazon.com ... some are only $10-12 each!
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Cygnus
Scholar.....A God's Word? I'm assured English isn't your native language... but that 20-year gap makes the WT's chronicling of the neo-Assyrian/Babylonian kinglist a mess, whereas Jonsson's explanations make both secular and biblical sense. You've not shown otherwise. Neither does the Appendix to Let Your Kingdom Come. All you can do is spout some wishful thinking and hand-waving and you'll continue to make bluntly stated assertions that have no definitive or even theoretically possible substantiation.
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Many many books from library on 586/87
by ithinkisee ini have listed all the books i found at the library that mention 586/87 as the fall of jerusalem.
i was also able to link to all of them (except the first one listed) on amazon.com!
many are out of print or unavailable as new books but you can buy almost all of them used on amazon.com ... some are only $10-12 each!
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Cygnus
I remember the feelings of trepidation and excitement when investigating this at the library for myself over eight years ago. Sorry, Watchtower, but you've got a 20 year gap you just can't fill with any evidence. I remember way back on H2O Zach's posting on this 20 year gap and how he showed how the Society's explanations were so vapid as to be stupifying. And I recall emailing AlanF some eight years ago with a king list of the neo-Babylonian epoch. And how gracious he was in reply, step by step. He's still that way, if I can insert a plug for my old buddy, who was also gracious for,listening to my incessant babbling on the phone tonight for 90 minutes.