i pulled a few muscles in my back last week and couldn't make it to church on sunday.
a deacon friend called and offered to usher and pass the (gasp) offering plate for me.
another friend called and prayed with me.
Honesty, now you know what true UNconditional love is. No strings attached. I have taken a break from religion for right now. However I did attend a Baptist service with a friend from work. It was very refreshing. They even sang a song with the name of Jehovah in it.
The Claw
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what is your opinion on it now that your out of the wts?
( or slowly kicking the habit... my sons school is having a "roll up your sleeve day" and give blood.....both boys and myself are going to donate tomorrow....they are both trying to reach a goal for the most donated blood in our county...i also am going to donate my time for the day and help hand out cookies and orange juice...... i feel good!!!!
Good for you and your sons. Bravo. You know its a shame that witnesses will gladly accept blood fractions which come from DONATED blood, but won't donate blood themselves. How hypocritical.
The Claw.
http://www.overheardinnewyork.com/index-2.html :.
in a comparative religion class in ten years, this kid will raise his hand and humiliate himself son: daddy, what's that?.
father: that's the watchtower.. son: what do they do there?.
Ringing doorbells and knowing where all the Donut shops/McDonalds are in a 50 mile radius.
The Claw
the use of 1914 as the start of the last generation and jesus 2nd presence prophecy has been the biggest lie ever told by the watchtower society.
they have perpetrated these false prophecies with malice of forethought, with the deliberate intent of misleading people.
if anyone has doubts, or wonders if maybe, just maybe the society might have been right about the last generation prophecy, one only has to read the newspapers everyday to see continuing evdience of the lie:.
"Millions now living will never die"
This was of course another part of the lie. Playing Monday morning quarterback now the correct phrase back then should have read something more like this:
"Millions now living will die and continue to die"
The Claw ( of the truth shall set you free class )
i know of very few that would "dare" tell off a co but elders were different.
having been an elder for many years, it was very easy to go back and forth with a fellow elder and basically tell him he was dumb.
Imagine beating up a body of elders and a CO.
I came very very close let me tell ya. If they ever get in my way in the future I might not hold back. Let the chips fall where they may.
The Claw
i know of very few that would "dare" tell off a co but elders were different.
having been an elder for many years, it was very easy to go back and forth with a fellow elder and basically tell him he was dumb.
Minimus, A month and a half later they made the classic announcement at the meeting that "I was no longer a Jehovah's witness". I initially thought that they DF'd me. I came to find out later that they took my attitude on that occasion as proof that I wanted to DA myself.
So I guess I'm DA'd. Same difference really.
The Claw
i know of very few that would "dare" tell off a co but elders were different.
having been an elder for many years, it was very easy to go back and forth with a fellow elder and basically tell him he was dumb.
I was at the gas station filling up my pickup when two elders approached me. One of them was Sal, the one I hung the phone up on about 8 months ago when he told me it is OK for witnesses to lie as long as its not malicious. So they wanted to know if they could meet with me. I said:" what for?". Oh we just want to talk with you. I said there's nothing to talk about. Sal had this smirk on his face, and I saw RED!. I looked him right in the eye and called him a F&*KIN' SCUM BAG. I asked him why he never showed up after he told me he would bring the Circuit Overseer over to look at the info I had about Mexico. NO COMMENT. So I told them both, now you wanna talk to me. Too F&*kin' late I said. Where were you when I stopped going to meetings. No one called or visited. They asked if I have been visiting apostate web sites? I said, what do you consider an apostate web site? They said," someone who leaves Jehovah". I said I have left an organization. I told them in no uncertain terms that I want nothing to do with the WTS anymore. So I guess I sealed my own fate. As Sal drove off he said to me, "We'll be talking to you". I told him to go F&ck himself.
A month and a half later I was DA'd. I've been free ever since.
The Claw
most people can make a few basic associations with jehovah's witnesses: they are people who go door to door to talk about their faith and who don't celebrate ... the truth of jehovah's witnesses friday, september 22, 2006 by kelly savio most people can make a few basic associations with jehovah's witnesses: they are people who go door to door to talk about their faith and who don't celebrate birthdays.
during services, members of the congregation give talks on relevant topics concerning christian living, demonstrations are given to help with public ministry, and they do bible studies and have discussions on the material.
we believe that jesus was the son of jehovah, and we believe in living a christian life.
according to scripture, blood is sacred. Therefore, they cannot donate blood or receive blood transfusions. If someone knows they'll be having a surgery, they can discuss alternatives to transfusions with their doctor. They also cannot give their own blood to be used during a future operation they plan to have done. They are willing to sacrifice their lives to follow the laws written in the Bible,
This is so much bullshit.
First of all, they say they cannot donate blood. WHY? Because it should be poured out on the ground once leaving the body. OK if that is the case then my question is WHY is it OK for them to accept blood fractions which is made from BLOOD that someone else donated. Shouldn't that blood have been poured out on the ground when it was donated? So they can accept blood fractions from someones else's blood but cannot donate their own blood to help someone else in need.
As far as not storing up their own blood for future operations, the same principle applies as stated above. ALL blood according to the WTS should be poured out on the ground, therefore they should not accept anything that came from blood in the first place. But as you can see. its alright for some "worldly person" to donate blood which can be broken down into fractions to save their sorry asses in an emergency, but not alright for they themselves to donate their blood to help their fellowman.
Pure and simple, HYPOCRITES
The Claw
i wrote most of this in response to drew sagan, in a thread that wasn't really about this issue.
when i read back over it, i figured it need a thread of its own.. the first part of the puzzle is in appendix 1d of the nwt reference bible.
they list all "237 places where the name jehovah occurs in the main text of the new world translation of the christian greek scriptures.
Thank you AuldSoul and Company for such an informative topic. I'm saving it for future use.
The Claw.
i got a call today from a member of the judicial committee asking if i would meet with them.
i asked them what for?
i was told it was about my asking questions about wts involvement with the un and bethel layoffs and my getting information from an apostate website.. i told them i have never attended their kh and had been inactive for more than 20 years and no longer accepted their authority and they no longer had a control over my mind or what i read or say or do.
Yes they can. Your phone call was most likely taped and heard by a third party. After I blew away 2 elders at a gas station, one of them said they would " be talking to me ", I never had that " talk ". They announced a month later that I was " no longer a Jehovah's Witness ". Those Asswipes had and still continue to have no BALLS.
The Claw
