Posts by rowan

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Statistical effect of disassociating the inactive

by AuldSoul in

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it has been tossed around several times on the forum, and invariably someone pipes up that the wts will never do it because of the adverse effects on the numbers.

there is a glaring flaw in that reasoning.. the inactive are never counted as publishers.

the numbers that are reported are of active, reporting publishers.. if they disassociate every single person who is inactive and refuses to reactivate themselves, the numbers will not be negatively affected at all.

rowan

Should they do that, and my family gives me the ultimatum, I'll agree to go back with the condition that we study and discuss each chapter of COC.

If they still want me to go back, I can choose to get "reactivated" and be a royal pain in the butt for the elders, with the ultimate passive aggresive mode that THEY have helped me perfect during the years.

Should they dissociate me, I would become a VERY active opposer. I will not picket, but I PLAN for as many members of my community to learn about the reality of JWs, using various effective methods I have learned on this forum.

So, beware WTS. Your time with screwing with my life is over. I am in control now. I hope to live to see your demiss. And this is the feeling of thousands.

Rowan

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SITTING ON THE BACK ROW..............NO, NOT AT THE MOVIES, AT THE KH

by vitty in

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i know we've heard a lot of horror stories about jcs and getting disfellowshipped.........................but what is your experiences of continuing going to the meetings to be reinstated.............what did it really feel like?.

did you mind being ignored or did you understand it and take it on the chin?.................................what were your familys treatment of you during the period of having to sit on the back row????.

when i saw ppl comming in late and leaving early .....................i just knew it was wrong, wrong , wrong to treat ppl that way.. in fact i got told off for smiling at a sister who i knew genuinly wanted to come back,( the pos wife told me ) i did it out of human feelings and was then blasted.. after she got reinstated, i was the first person she came upto and introduced herself.

rowan

JW daughter, thanks for your empathy. you're right on the spot. I have read horror stories here at the board and I know them to be true, unfortunately it took what happened to me for that to happen. My family still thinks that mine was an isolated case of mistreatment by zealot elders. don't they realize that they have been chronically "mildly" mistreated by the Borg?

and CS 100, I was one of those too, shame on me for that. It was eye opening to get to the other side of the fence. Actually, it made a better person out for me. heck, not being a JW automatically makes you a more sensitive and empathic human being.

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Did Leaving the Organization Make you Feel Alive?

by Mysterious in

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did you have moments after you left the organization when you felt alive for the first time?

when you realized that you had just been drudging around with your head down, enduring rather than living.

when that huge burden was lifted from your shoulders and you saw the world not for the place of darkness and pain that the witnesses made it out to be but for all the wonder in it?

rowan

I felt guilt and the fear of Armagedon looming by disappear. I felt I could almost literally breathe better.

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I am so proud of my son.

by Mig in

my dil called to tell me that she, my son and the children got dress to go to the meeting last night.

they have been somewhat irregular in meeting attendance.

she has been receiving constant pressured from her sister to attend.

rowan

Your post made my day. Another family out of the WT's claws.

congrats!!!

rowan

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Elder video is up~

by alamb in

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2o4lbgx81u

rowan

[The outcome was they initally banned ALL shunning of me by anyone. The children cannot be allowed to have any contact with anyone who considers me less than an upstanding JW. I sat for three months in the County Prosecutor's Office, Police Dept., COP's desk, Atty. Gen's office, to get him charged with perjury for this. Long story short, he was charged. Charges were dropped because the State doesn't have the man-power to prosecute perjury. So that tells you what telling the truth on the stand is worth; your dignity; that's it. My ex proceeded to take the kids to a counsellor who had "nice JW family". She wrote a letter to the court. They pulled the "First Amendment" card. He got custody. My question: Where are my first amendment rights to leave a religion while not surrending my rights to be a parent? Forgot to add: I have had 6 protective orders on my ex and he plead "no contest" to stalking me. Not a nice guy to have control of your children's futures, spirituality, well-being, and ultimately, mine.] Congratulations on having a ban on them on them on shunning you! but...why the heck did that a..hole get custody of your children after all this dirt was exposed in court? oh why oh why!!!! I am jumping angry right now. I mean, in the practice they are still screwing you, aren't they? please correct me if I got something wrong, or missed an important part of the story. probably I did. i understand it feels awsome to expose them for what they they are in court, and set a legal precedent, but in real life, where YOU as an individual is involved, these JWs keep on arrogantly calling the shots and irrititating you routinely. sorry for my english. It's my second language, and I know I ramble. respectfully, rowan

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can they do something?

by rowan in

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i got reinstated some time ago.

to get back my family.

went to a couple of meetings, then called saying i'd be out of town for a while.

rowan

thank you all for your answers.

I am worried because I am not fading. I just stopped going after a couple of meetings. Sorry, but there is no way I am going to swallow study sesions with an "exemplary sister" and going out to preach. going to the meetings alone is sickening. What scares me is that they could pull up some crap about my attitude, or something. so far I am avoiding them, and I plan on being sweet and sleek if I get confronted, but anyways, I JUST got reinstated.

Again, thank you all for your advise, I plan to follow it.

best regards,

Rowan

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can they do something?

by rowan in

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friends

i got reinstated some time ago.

to get back my family.

went to a couple of meetings, then called saying i'd be out of town for a while.

rowan

I got reinstated some time ago. to get back my family. went to a couple of meetings, then called saying I'd be out of town for a while.

After some time passed, the PO started calling, I am supposed to call them back. I am done with them. Will not step into a KH again in my life.

I am afraid they might take some drastic measure out of the hat. Is that possible?

respectfully,

Rowan

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If your child grew up and became a Witness?

by free2beme in

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i think we all think that our children would never do this, with us being so negative toward the faith.

yet in reality, these children grow to be adults and will make their own choices in time, as to what they want and believe.

i wonder though, would we spend all of our time with them trying to explain why we exited and why they should not believe, or would we just come to accept it?

rowan

what about subjecting the (adult) child to intense cult deprogramming?

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JW's upset grandfather left house to Df'd family member

by Chasity1 in

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hi guys.

my brother told me that his friends grandfather died and that the jw family members are upset that he left his house to his grandson who is df'd.

for the last few years the grandson took him to all his doctor appointments and took him grocery shopping.

rowan

he he. that's rich. karma is a b...h . I love it

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How did you treat your worldly relatives when you were a JW

by TallTexan in

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i had an interesting conversation the other day with a friend who is also an ex-jw.

this person is older than i am, and was a jw for a number of decades.

she was talking about worldly relatives that she basically ignored when she was a jw.

rowan

We have a huge extended family from my mother's side. Healthy, good, agreeable people. At least 10 cousins around my age. I was not allowed to play with them. Although my childhood years were happy ones, that's something I will never get back: the joy of companionship and sharing with the kids of my family. Now I look at their family albums, and I am not in there, you know, the summer afternoons spent by the pool, the collective going outs to the city, etc. That's one of the few things I regret from my JW childhood. (my JW teenage years were HELL)

The good thing is that after I got DF, my mother was so disgruntled that she got closer to her (blood) sisters. Now we do have family occasions all together. Most of my cousins are married or engaged, but we are close, we are sharing moments, enjoying the addition of a second generation of little urchins. It's like my parents have bonded for the first time with the rest of the family. It wasn't too late! They were welcomed back with open arms.

Rowan