Posts by Jeepthing

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Happy Feet

by becca1 in

go see happy feet!

it's not just for kids.

it's really cute.

Jeepthing

Felt same way about it too. Disfellowshiped penguin.

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Question for the EX-JW:

by rezrez in

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when you left the religion or cult, which religion did you convert to.

remember, i dont need to know why you left, i just want to which religion did you convert to.

We did not convert to anything except that we still believe that God still exist and we still study the Bible as family and independently. We did a lot of researches and came to conclusion that all religions have some truth but not ultimate truth like they all claim and like jws. Realized that only one true religion do not exist and it only exist in individual's mind in their religion. Because we realized that they all have to claim to make themselves to be the one and only one to hold the authorities over people. We decided that only thing religions are good for is socialization and place to do things with others but with condition to accept what they teach and practice. Like signing a piece of a paper to say we will follow the rules for certain clubs or organization. Utimately, it is up to individual to seek God and understand Him and develop a personal relationship with Him and try to understand his ways. We(my husband and I) since kids are still young to comprehend all this religion stuff except for basic contents of the Bible, we just do our thing listen, read, and search like Bible recommend us to do. Also, wait. At least we feel like we are obligate to do that as His people. No more organized religion unless we want that social gathering which we could find in other secular places without us deeply getting involve in one particular organization(religion or not). We are free but yet we have an obligation towards God and His Son, price of being a free is responsibility and still accountable to God and that is our ways to look at things now days.

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I'm meeting with the elders this Saturday

by Honesty in

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friends

that's right, guys and girls, i'm going to meet with at least two elders this saturday.. before you get ya britches in a big 'ol wad i can explain everything.. it's like this... well, a good friend asked me yesterday if i would be willing to meet with some jw's who have been having a 'bible study' with him for 5 or 6 weeks.

it appears that these jw's are elders and they have informed him that he is not a christian.

he asked them if they would be willing to discuss their beliefs with anyone and everyone so that he could be sure what they are telling him about not being a christian is true.

Jeepthing

Yes, I am very much aware of original group still exit and I believe this It is true that jw religion was not an official religion until Rutherford but still the fact remains that it is started out with CTR. I think it is a good point to point out to any jw that it was not originated from very beginning of human couple as jws are claiming. I don't think any religion start out with any specific name but start out with good intention to change(reform) from parent group or orthodox of somekind. I think Catholic is a prime example of it. How many religions are formed form this one alone? Definition of religion is:the service and worship of God or the supernaural ;devotion to a religious faith; a personal set or institutionalized system of religious beliefs etc....at least from one source of dictionary. Anytime a group is expressing service to God is a religion. CTR was trying to interpret the Bible to figure out the prophecy of Christ coming and anticipating it. If he was not a believer of God and sharing than what was he doing. It was more than a movement. At least it is my understanding of what I learned. The Bible Student that still practice CTR teaching is not a movement anymore but another religion like rest of them.

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I'm meeting with the elders this Saturday

by Honesty in

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friends

that's right, guys and girls, i'm going to meet with at least two elders this saturday.. before you get ya britches in a big 'ol wad i can explain everything.. it's like this... well, a good friend asked me yesterday if i would be willing to meet with some jw's who have been having a 'bible study' with him for 5 or 6 weeks.

it appears that these jw's are elders and they have informed him that he is not a christian.

he asked them if they would be willing to discuss their beliefs with anyone and everyone so that he could be sure what they are telling him about not being a christian is true.

Jeepthing

Should start out with the history of jw and ask about CTR. CTR was involved with several other religions before he found this one. Ask how that is connected to Adam and Eve since they claim to be originated from way back. Compare CTR's beginning with other religions' beginning.

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Who is your Best Friend?And why?

by megsmomma in

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friends

i ask this because i have a hard time making and keeping friends since i have left.

my husband is my best friend now....but he is my only friend.

i do have some wemon friends, but i don't like to get too close.

Jeepthing

No, you are not alone. I had same problem. Infact, my best friend(since we were in 7th grade and before we became jw) told me she was never true friend and hates my guts now just because me and my whole family decided to stopped going to meetings. We told her we are no longer want to get involve with jw because we don't agree with the teachings of jw. Funny thing was while I was still jw we talked about how jw teachings are not all right and we often disagreed with things that were going on in her kh and other khs. She even told me she couldn't bring anyone to this mess because of all those hyprocricy and abuse. But soon as I told her about our decision she dropped me like a hot pancake. She even accused us for being apostates and won't let her kids talk to our kids( they are cousins by marriage). She is going around accusing us as apostates but no one da or df us here in our kh even the elders knew about us and most of kh people know about us. In fact most of jws are agree with some teachings are wrong and don't make sense and we used to talked about(seriously) but soon as we stopped they stopped associating with us. Funny. When we see them they are polite and friendly but avoid coming around here except one friend of mine(still loyal jw).

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Were you accused of starting your own RELIGION?

by Amazing in

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friends

mouthy said that she was accused of this ... and i remembered that i too was accused of starting my own church.

supposedly, i went up and down the west coast, gathering up followers, and then secured a church building in the seattle area.

the book, crisis of conscience, mentioned that allegations were made against some bethelites who supposedly secured a meeting location, and started a religion known as 'sons of freedom' or 'sons of liberty.

Jeepthing

When two elders came to talk to us they asked us if we belong to any group or forming one. I have a friend(still active jw) asked me if I am forming a religion. It seems like these questions are typical ones from jw. I guess many are leaving for similar reasons. My husband told them, it might not be a bad idea and said that is how CTR started jw thing. He pointed out that CTR was involved in other religious group before jw. They didn't respond to that statement.

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Are you good at noticing details? Try this.

by bebu in

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ok, my dad sent me this, and it was very clever:.

check this out.

if you can, you're a genius like me.

Jeepthing

Not funny. You made me panoid now.

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Holiday Viewpoints and Former Jehovah's Witnesses

by The wanderer in

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holiday viewpoints and former jehovah's witnesses being in the organization the viewpoint was that holidays were.

of pagan origin.

whether it was halloween, christmas, easter.

Jeepthing

Personally, I don't like any holidays nowdays due to all the commercial propagandas. I just realized that society have their own pagon holiday(sort of one), memorial day which they set a certain day, a once a year like any other holidays. And it is man made one, even though it is mentioned in the Bible(did not say once a year but as often as You dirink it, in remembrance of me 1 Cori 11:25,26). Basically the Thanksgiving Day is like that. So do I feel guilty if I celebrate a holiday? No. I would feel guily if I am celebrating to promote the commercial propagandas and set an example to my children that it is okay to do everything the world do. That is like a peer pressure. When we were jws, I hated it when people made sound like we were depriving our kids from all the holidays stuff. Just like if you don't were a brand name clothe, you are not cool. You don't have to do everything that world expect you to do. Holidays don't mean anything anymore, unless you use that time to get together with family and enjoy each others company.

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Being Saved

by choosing life in

jw
friends

who all on here think they have been saved and have received god's spirit?

the reason i ask is i want to know what it feels like and how you know this is legitimate?

i did have an "experience" when i was baptized 30 years ago as a witness.

Jeepthing

I agree with Undecided, but while I am live, being saved mean I am living my life as follower of Christ. And live a meaningful life as I try(strive) to learn more about our God, His Son, and understand his words(try to understand what he is saying to us through his words in the Bible). I don't think we could ever stop to certain point and say now I understand. I believe that's what religions do to us by saying "this is what it means" and expect us to stop learning until they decided what is what. We stop learning like we are done with textbook. I don't think the Bible is like that, I think the Bible is like our survival guide in this life. When we have a relationship of anykind we nurture, we grow in that relationship, we learn all the time about that person we are involve with if we value that person, and we will do everything in our power to save and treasure that relationship. So for being saved mean to me is that I am constantly learning to save the relationship I have with God, His Son, and what He has done for us. The word of God is alive so it is constantly talking to me if I am listening. I am listening and learning everyday. So I feel like I am being saved as long as I am listening and learning. So I don't feel like it has to be one time deal experiece but I feel as I live according to His way. I will still feel the pain of living in this messed up world but I have certain amount of peace and assurance from this relationship with God and His Son. All the feelings of being saved by being jw was only the man made religious accomplishment not a real thing. The real thing is my own that I am accomplishing as I learn.

The Freedom of Christ: The Role of the Spirit

Those who acknowledge Jesus as having gained this victory on their behalf and who receive his Spirit into their lives are liberated from those things by which they were inexorably gripped beforehand. They are free from the compulsion to sin and from the tendency to rely on their own moral and religious achievements. They are free from the obligation to regulate their lives by reference to an instinctive or external moral code. They are free from the bonds that death irrevocably puts around them(Rom 8:38-39; Gal 4:8-11). Experience of the Spirit has the reverse effect. Instead of blinding and tyrannizing them, it has, since its gift is truth and its power love, released them and for the first time granted them freedom to choose a way of life for themselves(Rom 5:5; 1 Cor 2:10-11). This does not mean that they are altogether released from the pull of the old way of life. Far from it. In a frankly autobiographical passage Paul acknowledges:

I am a divided being. In my innermost self, the thinking and reasoning part of me, I wholeheartedly endorse God's principles. but I am also awaare of a fifferent principle within me. This is in continual conflict with both my conscious mind and conscience, and makes me an wnwilling proisoner to the power of sin which has such a grip on my personality. It is an agonizing situation to in -to be torn by a conflict from which there is (as yet) no solution. (Rom 7:21ff.)

According to Paul it is only in the resurrection at the Last Day that the final resolution of the conflict between the mind and the conscience will take place. In the meantime one must live in the tension between them, conscious of the fact that in Christ the issue has already been decided and that throught the Spirit this can now in part be experienced (Rom 7:25b-9:11)

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Hi, Choosing Life

by Jeepthing in

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