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struggling & need feedback

by wildeflower in

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i am 32 years old, have been disfellowshipped since age 17. was born & raised in the "truth.

" my father was and still is an elder.. without going into the gory, painful details: i have kept in somewhat contact with my parents in the last 15 years (i can't believe it's been that long!

) by calling them and popping over to their house, etc.

Every situation is unique, so none of us has an all encompassing answer. But, I would put an end to any suffering you have over it. I wouldn't be rude to your parents, leave that to the hypocrites in the Kingdom Halls.

Invite them to your wedding, but don't be surprised if they fail to show. The Bible says we leave our families and stick to our mates. Let them know you love them and always will, then get on with your life. One day, you will have your own family and they will be your top priority, as well as the major source of love and satisfaction in your life.

Right now, I am struggling with a wife whose support is more for the dubs than for me. Since I DA's, her attitude is that I knew what to expect, as far as shunning. Of course I did. But, the only time I get upset is when her or her kids dub buddies come into my house and expect me to leave the room, look down their noses at me, and then wish to utilize all the possessions and comforts I am providing, most of which I had before I was remarried. Then too, since my profession is an auto technician, some still expect me to be "johnny on the spot" when they have a car problem, but shun me the rest of the time. No way, Jose!

As far as the JWs are concerned, I follow the golden rule and treat them as they treat me.

It hurts to leave a parental family behind, but if they are the source of anguish, I would leave them behind and build a new and loving family of your own. If they wake up and come to you, accept them, warily. But, first and foremost, build a family with your spouse and whatever children you have. They will come first.

Just my opinion, mind you

If God's Spirit is filling a Kingdom Hall, how is it that Satan can manuever the ones within that Kingdom Hall at the same time?

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Welcome to my wasteland!

by Okidok in

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"it takes two to speak the truth -- one to speak, and another to.

---henry david thoreau (1817-1862)

DakotaRed

Ever stop and think that the ones actually rejecting Christ or God are the ones preaching and teaching devotion to a man made organization and that any not adhering to the precepts of that organization will be mercilessly destroyed?

Oh, it's not only the Watchtower, but I saw it all religions. Jesus taught love and a resurrection of the righteous and unrighteous. What religion has done to those couple scriptures could result in their facing the very destruction they wish to rain down on others who might believe differently.

What kind of loving God would use such scare tactics as religion preaches throughout history?

If God's Spirit is filling a Kingdom Hall, how is it that Satan can manuever the ones within that Kingdom Hall at the same time?

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Welcome to my wasteland!

by Okidok in

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"it takes two to speak the truth -- one to speak, and another to.

---henry david thoreau (1817-1862)

DakotaRed

Hmmm, Christ and a terrorist act?

Doesn't Osama claim to have God on his side? I wonder just what the occupants of Jericho and Sodom and Gommorah thought about the love they received? Who were they really hurting? And what about Pharoah losing his son? Do you think maybe he felt like it was a terrorist act? How about all the Egyptians who lost first born sons? Do you think they looked upon the God of Israel as a kind and loving God?

That is what I detest about so called christianity. Do things as we say, or our God will annhilate you! What a choice, be braindead and follow mans perverted rules, or either face annhilation or burning for eternity!

No thanks, you all can keep your version of God and walk through life afraid to live. I'll accept God and His Son as stated in the Bible. Jesus laid down the key in John 13:34,35. Why not read it and follow it, too?

If God's Spirit is filling a Kingdom Hall, how is it that Satan can manuever the ones within that Kingdom Hall at the same time?

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The Dubs weakest link!

by moman in

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we spend lots of energy exposing the many false-hoods of the wt soc., with varing degrees of success.

in my opinion their lack of patriotism is their achilies heel!.

how many americans are aware of their refusal to join the military?.

DakotaRed

My religion sure doesn't depend upon what the Watchtower says!
carmel

Well, my religion doesn't depend on what any religion says. Rutherford was right, religion is a snare and a racket. He just forgot to include his own!

If God's Spirit is filling a Kingdom Hall, how is it that Satan can manuever the ones within that Kingdom Hall at the same time?

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Dear Robert

by Mann in

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dear robert, i have done quiet a lot of research into the jw's doctrines.

you see; i had to make an important decision on where i stood as far as jw's are concerned.this chat site was very helpful.

i have taken the most controversial members ( lol there are only three of you)from this site, in opposition to eachother and used your arguments and reasongings to "help" make my mind over on what i would do.. the thing that struck me most about your arguments were: you kept giving glory to jehovah and his son, you used scriptures to back up your points (glad you didn't give out where to find those scriptures) you didn't make excuses for the wtbs errors, and misdeeds, and the most important point was your pointing out that jehovah himself will judge and spank his own people.

DakotaRed

The others in the congregation are looking the other way, uncomfortably, until my black and blue marks fade... making the abuse I endured a little easier for them to swallow.

Tera, I am so sorry to hear this. In my case, it was the exact opposite. Elders were accusing me of abuse when none existed, just emotionally disturbed step kids trying to have things their way. Of course, they are all on mood controlling drugs, as is their Mom and all 3 good upstanding JWs. I am considered the outcast and have probably done more research away from the Watchtower that actually supports some of the Watchtower teachings. Yet, they can't speak to me about spiritual matters? It's all just a big stupid game that I refuse to play anymore.

As for the abuse, I know well what you mean and it isn't restricted to the dubs. I grew up in the 50s in a Pentecostal church. Many a time I went to school and church with welts all over my back. My Mom liked to yank a switch off of the cherry tree we had in the yard and arfter raking the leaves off of it, go up and down my backside, while I was wearing only shorts. My Dad would be standing in front with his belt and if I shed a tear, I got it across the face. I can well sympathise with you about your parents. All I was ever told was that I needed to mind better. Unfortunately, they never took note that my Mom, especially, enjoyed beating me and my sisters.

To be falsely accused of abuse today, without anyone actually looking into it and after enduring the childhood I did, is just too much. Even after being cleared numerous times by Childrens Protective Service, who monitored my home real well and actually talked to me, not at me, the elders continued their witch hunt. I wasn't even prmitted to ground a kid without an elder, or his little elderette wife, interfering and telling me that he needed meetings and association with other dubs afterwards.

Funny thing is, I raised two daughters on my own before becoming a dub myself and both of them are well adjusted and can't understand why the step family or the dubs are the way they are (neither are JW).

Any way, I am sorry to hear about your situation and if it continues, seek help from someone you can trust. CPS, school officials, etc, provided you are still in school. If you are old enough to leave, then at your earliest convenience, do just that, even if you have to join a group of others renting a small place. My escape was the US Army, but they sent me to Vietnam. Good place to work anger out of my system, though.

Whatever you do, you do not have to accept abuse!

If God's Spirit is filling a Kingdom Hall, how is it that Satan can manuever the ones within that Kingdom Hall at the same time?

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Dear Robert

by Mann in

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dear robert, i have done quiet a lot of research into the jw's doctrines.

you see; i had to make an important decision on where i stood as far as jw's are concerned.this chat site was very helpful.

i have taken the most controversial members ( lol there are only three of you)from this site, in opposition to eachother and used your arguments and reasongings to "help" make my mind over on what i would do.. the thing that struck me most about your arguments were: you kept giving glory to jehovah and his son, you used scriptures to back up your points (glad you didn't give out where to find those scriptures) you didn't make excuses for the wtbs errors, and misdeeds, and the most important point was your pointing out that jehovah himself will judge and spank his own people.

DakotaRed

Just how is God going to step in and take care of all those nasty people? Sounds like you still have one have of the brain cells still in the Witchtower society.
carm

Well Carm, one nice thing about being a free thinker is that I am free to disagree or agree where I choose. I fiemly believe God will step in and set the world straight one day. I have thought that long before I ever talked to a JW. Now, obviously you disagree and that is okay by me. You see, I firmly believe that we each are entitled to our own beliefs and that ultimately, most will not really amount to a hill of beans.

Just how God will set things straight is up to him. Do I believe in ultimate destruction of all so called non-believers? No, I don't. Do I believe some will be destroyed? Yes, I do, but I don't buy that it will be in the horrific manner described by our current translations of the Bible or as preached by the Watchtower.

I honestly believe that honest hearted ones, those who show love of fellow man, will be the main ones saved, regardless of religious affiliation. Since God reads hearts, who knows, maybe even a bunch of atheists will be saved also.

Now, will I be included in the group saved? I certainly hope so, but it really doesn't matter all that much to me. I am who I am and try to treat all others as nice and respectable as I can. I'm not perfect, but I do try. In the end, I get walked on quite a bit, but I'm a big boy and can handle it.

You see, just because I no longer wish to be affiliated with the JWs doesn't mean that I have to retrain every aspect of my brain. many of my beliefs I had long before I met them and I still have them.

Just because they are hypocrits doesn't mean they are totally wrong on everything. Every religion I have looked ino has something right. I just see none as having everything right.

If God's Spirit is filling a Kingdom Hall, how is it that Satan can manuever the ones within that Kingdom Hall at the same time?

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New Study All Over Again?

by Francois in

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i'll be moving soon to a new city about 300 miles from here.

i'm so tempted to wait, just like a spider, on the jws to come by with their current offer and get all "interested" in what they say.

then get myself a study.

DakotaRed

Seedy, sometimes I find that evil thoughts help me retain a little sanity in this crazy world.

My wife is still and active Dub and she doesn't like me posting here much either. Nor does she like the notice I have on the door telling her dub friends to stay off my property if they wish to shun me within my house. But, I just remind her that it's the dubs that say I am the head of the house and she is supposed to be in subjection to me. If she would rather be subservient than my equal, then by all means, knock yourself out.

Ain't it great being a man??????

If God's Spirit is filling a Kingdom Hall, how is it that Satan can manuever the ones within that Kingdom Hall at the same time?

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Dear Robert

by Mann in

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dear robert, i have done quiet a lot of research into the jw's doctrines.

you see; i had to make an important decision on where i stood as far as jw's are concerned.this chat site was very helpful.

i have taken the most controversial members ( lol there are only three of you)from this site, in opposition to eachother and used your arguments and reasongings to "help" make my mind over on what i would do.. the thing that struck me most about your arguments were: you kept giving glory to jehovah and his son, you used scriptures to back up your points (glad you didn't give out where to find those scriptures) you didn't make excuses for the wtbs errors, and misdeeds, and the most important point was your pointing out that jehovah himself will judge and spank his own people.

DakotaRed

If you are truly at peace with your decision and honestly believe it is the right thing to do, then by all means, go back. But, why the need to post this here? Do you honestly think your little saga will convince any to return to the WT?

I find it "convenient" that you mention that soon all the "childmoleters and others doing vile things" will be removed, but you fail to address the very organization that is protecting those very people, while condemning others for protecting ones in their groups.

What you have failed to see is that some of us left, not because of theological beliefs, but because that JWs preach a belief and do not follow it themselves. The acknowledgment from teh WT that pedophiles and moleters are dealt with differently from state to state, depending on the law, shows that. Those "scum" as you call them, need to be turned over to the law, regardless of a state requiring they be reported or not!

Merely DFing a family for beating a child to death is not dealing with it, either. Where are the talks about tempering justice with mercy? Where is the talk about along with the "spareing the rod of discipline," goes "listen to the rod of discipline?" Where are elders and others when a child shows up black and blue? Why wait until after a child is killed to act? Child abusers need professional help, something elders are not equipped to give. Sad as it may be, children may need to be remomved, at least temporarily, while abusers get help.

Going back to the KH is not going to stop rapes, murders, wars, robberies and such, I hope you know that. The KH nor the Watchtower is protected from any of that. It is the way of the world and will continue, regardless of JWs, until God steps in, in His due time, and ends it. When that day finally does come, try not to act too surprised to discover that the Watchtower has not been a haven of peace and security afterall.

Get right with God and the hell with man made relgiions!

If God's Spirit is filling a Kingdom Hall, how is it that Satan can manuever the ones within that Kingdom Hall at the same time?

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Top 10 count down why dubs go to the Kingdom Hall

by William Penwell in

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here's my top ten reasons why jw's attend kingdomhall!!!

whats your top ten??

can anyone add to my list?.

DakotaRed

10. To keep up on JW gossip

09. The recive spiritual pablum

08. To keep up on JW gossip

07. To try to impress some horny JW teenage girl.

06. To keep up on JW gossip

05. To show off new clothes

04. To keep up on JW gossip

03. To reinforce their thought that anyone they personally dislike will be annhilated at armmegedon

02. To keep up on JW gossip

01. To ride around in service in Brother Better Than You's new Mercedes, like people seeing you think it is yours anyway.

If God's Spirit is filling a Kingdom Hall, how is it that Satan can manuever the ones within that Kingdom Hall at the same time?

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The Dubs weakest link!

by moman in

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friends

we spend lots of energy exposing the many false-hoods of the wt soc., with varing degrees of success.

in my opinion their lack of patriotism is their achilies heel!.

how many americans are aware of their refusal to join the military?.

DakotaRed

Since I am a veteran, I feel the need to chime in here. When I was younger and serving in Vietnam and even a while after, any who refused to serve really pissed me off. However, since I have gotten older and hopefully wiser, I can now see that if it is a persons real and actual conscience, then they should stick by it. One of the things all veterans have fought for is other peoples freedoms, regardless of whether we agree or not.

On the other hand, JWs telling me I was stupid for serving and how wrong and ridiculous wars and military service are, then glorifying that military in one of their publications for rescuing and freeing JWs and others from concentration camps, gives me a bitter taste.

Personally, I do advocate young men doing service for their countries, although not necessarily military, if it goes against their conscience. Cowardice is not a good excuse for refusal, though.

Maybe Dubs should be constricted to help out in VA hospitals or even military hospitals and see what others have paid for their freedoms. How could that possibly go against their conscience?

But, in my opinion, to say their stance is their weakest link, is folly. Just like any trying to whip up patriotic fervor against them for it. That is not what we fought for.

As I see it, they are their own weakest link. The average JW can't explain why they believe as they do, they depend on the Watchtower instead of researching and learning for themselves. Unfortuantely, every other religion I can think of does it the same way.

Once again, though, maybe instead of trying to use their stance against them, use it with them. Encourage the governments, if a draft ever comes back, to force them to help care for wounded soldiers and veterans. Maybe some will see what their freedom cost!

If God's Spirit is filling a Kingdom Hall, how is it that Satan can manuever the ones within that Kingdom Hall at the same time?