Posts by uninformed

Year Peak Pubs Avg. pubs +/- Ave. prev Baptised Congs
1997 113,763 109,880 0 110,235 3,671 1,388
1998 113,136 109,664 0 109,880 2,986 1,383
1999 111,032 108,437 -1 109,664 2,467 1,384
2000 111,173 107,742 -1 108,437 2,316 1,362
2001 110,818 107,218 0 107,742 2,030 1,343
2002 110,814 108,217 1 107,218 2,144 1,340
2003 111,781 108,409 0 108,217 2,255 1,332
2004 110,221 108,012 0 108,409 2,210 1,325
2005 109,604 107,534 0 108,012 2,028 1,318
2006 110,298 107,618 0 107,534 1,982 1,325
Statistics
Between 1997 and 2006 24,089 people were baptized. This is roughly 2,408 a year.
2006 saw baptisms fall under 2,000 for the first time.
To detemrine growth, note how JW's in Canada had a 1997 peak of 113,763 publishers.
The 2006 peak was only 110,298 publishers.
There is a net loss of 3,465 publishers but that does not take into account those baptised.
A grand total net loss, inc. baptisms = 3,465 + 24,089 baptisms = 27,554 missing JW's.
1997 113,763 109,880 0 110,235 3,671 1,388
2006 110,298 107,618 0 107,534 1,982 1,325
The number of congregations in Canada during 1997 was 1,388.
In 2006, the number of congregations declined 4.5 % resulting in a decrease of 63.

NOTE: you are showing a net loss in the 8 years under discussion of 27,554 JW's. I don't know what the death rate would be, but the NET loss for those 8 years would be about 25%!! That is a stunningly large number. Especially when the WT figures just 2% or so. Very interesting chart. Thanks

Brant

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Can you name ONE thing that the WTBTS said that came true?

by megsmomma in

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garybuss said not one single thing they told him about in his younger years (since the 50's) came true.

it made me think....does anyone know of anything they said that was/is right?????

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uninformed

They said if we visit apostate sites on the internet that we will be disfellowshipped.

Thank God they were right on that one.

Brant

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BIG ELDERS MEETING ON THE BLOOD ISSUE! SHOCKING CHANGES AFOOT!?

by Gill in

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i have just been informed that something is going in with the blood issue within the borg.. a large meeting is being held this weekend with local elders and also many elders from all over the country/the united kingdom and members from the bethel and hospital liason committee to discuss the blood issue.. is anyone else aware of what this is going to be about?.

i wondered whether this would be part of the expected or possible changes that the organization is expected to announce this year that might lose them many members.

any elders here know anything?.

uninformed

Danny,

This is the first time that I have seen the presentation you posted. Thank you.

I know Dave Gianapoulis from having lived in a nearby congregation. When you see the reality of the stupidity of the WT stand on blood, it really makes you feel bad for these people.

You can take blood fractions though! Whoopee! I wonder where they pick up those blood fractions?

Brant

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Why Did Jesus Not Write Anything ?

by choosing life in

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have you ever wondered why jesus did not put anything in writing?

he was here to explain his father to us and teach us how to gain salvation.

wouldn't it have been a good thing to write his instructions down, rather than leave it up to others many years later?

uninformed

Jesus sure did not establish the basis for a huge printing organization did he?

It probably will be unpopular, but I believe that Jesus was God's Son and he didn't write it down because he could use the Holy Spirit to have it recorded at any time.

Thats my take.

Brant

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JW Membership will Self Destruct in...5...4...3...2...

by LovesDubs in

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think about it...if only the kids of baptized members are getting baptized all we have to do is sit back and wait and the organization will cease to exist on its own!

the numbers of "young ones" splitting from the cult and never looking back are greatly increasing so you can count out their offspring ever becoming members.

the ones that stay and stick and are loyal wont be "having children in this time of the end" very much...and the chances of those offsprings offspring sticking are remote as well.. so...if you deprive a fire of oxygen.

uninformed

Danny, you have a way of saying the right thing at the right time. I am sure glad to know you.

The 1990 district convention Providence Rhode Island civic center the program had a major talk with the follow up primary Watchtower study article.
The topic: "Godly childrearing in the time of the end" the speaker hit on Noah's family's 40 yeras of ark building with no children to distract them.
The inuenndo,intimation,implication,suggestion,command was to double up on your birth control married couples because THE END IS SOOOOOO CLOSE!
I was one of several who quit my pension paying job to go out in service.Think of all the woman close to menopause who choose not to have a baby and now they are stuck.
Curse and God damn you devil watchtower charlatans! Danny Haszard Bangor Maine

Brant Jones, Kansas City, Kansas

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Facts about the NT Bible

by Amazing in

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historically, the bible is a secondary support for christians and jews.

i was raised roman catholic, and our tradition and practices included the bible, but it was not a key centerpiece of our faith.

the jewish side of my family likewise have a rich history of tradition and faith that is lived, and not pinned down to every word in the bible.

uninformed

Jim,

Very fascinating reading. Good job.

Sure brings up a lot more questions than it answers.

Brant

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When did DF'ing & DA'ing start?

by gymbob in

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does anyone know exactly when the first mention of disfellowshipping and disassociating appeared in the publications?

uninformed

I did find a reference to disfellowshipping in a 47 WT. This is the first article I found on it though. Brant

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w52 3/1pp.137-138ProprietyofDisfellowshiping***

Propriety

ofDisfellowshiping

IS IT proper to disfellowship? Yes, as we have just seen in the above article, God put out of his congregation those that were opposed to him and that were corrupt. He disfellowshiped them. He got rid of them, and he advises us to do so with such persons. At Titus 3:10, 11 (NW) we read: "As for a man that promotes a sect, reject him after a first and a second admonition, knowing that such a man has been turned out of the way and is sinning, he being self-condemned." So there is authority in the Greek Scriptures for anyone that starts sects or divisions to be rejected after he has been talked to a first and a second time and still he does not change his course of action.

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We have other authority, too, in Romans 16:17, 18 (NW): "Now I exhort you, brothers, to keep your eye on those who create divisions and causes for stumbling contrary to the teaching which you have learned, and avoid them. For men of that kind are slaves, not of our Lord Christ, but of their own bellies, and by smooth talk and complimentary speech they seduce the hearts of guileless ones." Here we have a plain statement from God’s Word that we should get rid of these persons that cause offense and divisions within His congregation. We have the authority, we have the right, and it is proper to get rid of them. They have no place in the congregation of God. Christ Jesus even disfellowships on what we probably might think less grounds than all of the things described above. Just because a person is lukewarm, and he is neither hot nor cold, Christ Jesus spews him out. He also declares, at Revelation 3:16 (NW): "So, because you are lukewarm and neither hot nor cold, I am going to vomit you out of my mouth." Well, that is a disfellowshiping. Christ Jesus is not going to have any lukewarm persons permanently in his organization. You are either for him or against him. You will either come into the congregation of the Lord God and be his minister or eventually go out into the Devil’s organization. You cannot pussyfoot. You cannot be lukewarm. You cannot be passive. You have to be positively for the Lord God.

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God disfellowships, too. We have seen that in the examples given above, but we remember that in Matthew 23:38 (NW) Jesus, speaking to Jerusalem, said: "Look! your house is abandoned to you." He had been dealing with the Jews for a long period of time, and now the time had come to abandon them and their house or temple. Why? Because he had nursed them along and taken care of them like a hen with its little chicks, but they did not pay any attention to his Father in heaven, and now the time had come for God to abandon the whole business because they furnished only a faithful remnant and he was obliged to call out from the Gentile nations a people for his name.

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At 2 Corinthians 6:14-18 (NW) the apostle Paul said: "What fellowship does light have with darkness? . . . And what agreement does God’s temple have with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; just as God said: ‘I shall reside among them and walk among them, and I shall be their God, and they will be my people.’ ‘"Therefore get out from among them, and separate yourselves," says Jehovah, "and quit touching the unclean thing,"’ ‘"and I will take you in."’ ‘"And I shall be a father to you, and you will be sons and daughters to me," says Jehovah the Almighty.’" Yes, Jehovah will disfellowship those who become lawless, turn to darkness and set up idols. He will expel such persons from his organization. If you want to be of the Lord’s organization, keep clean of the Devil’s world. If you do not want to, then get out of it. Those who are impure, immoral, are not spiritually fit for God’s organization. If such lukewarm compromisers or apostates do not voluntarily get out of his organization, then under his direction the organization itself will put them out.