"this is how everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.
" - john 13:35 (niv).
a genuine christian would never totally shun a disfellowshipped family member or life-long friend who walked past them.
My 32 year old son will not speak to me.
I know, although he is a servant or elder that he regularly overdrinks, I would not be surprised if he did a little wife swapping on an occasion or two and he regularly associates with folks in the org that do bad things.
He won't speak to me.
Call that LOVE?
I call it hypocrisy.
Brant
sat in on my wife's bible study tonight, next week the husband of her study sister is coming with her, he is actually the presiding overseer of the congregation.
tried to get me to talk about trinity next week, but the topics will be either generation or michael.. .
the sister pointed to the statement in matthew on generation, i believe it was matthew 24:14 and said that since jesus was talking to his disciples, that equates to the anointed.
Good job BennyK
Holy spirit can't quite get it right.
Would be good to to point out that it was said hundreds of times that the generation that saw the events of 1914 would NOT PASS AWAY before the end came.
They changed that in 1995, effectively disconnecting 1914 from ANYTHING substantial.
Look up a few dozen references on the old understanding, hand it to them, and then ask what the definition of a "false prophet" is......,
(Deuteronomy 18:20-22) 20 "
‘However, the prophet who presumes to speak in my name a word that I have not commanded him to speak or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet must die. 21 And in case you should say in your heart: "How shall we know the word that Jehovah has not spoken?" 22 when the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word does not occur or come true, that is the word that Jehovah did not speak. With presumptuousness the prophet spoke it. You must not get frightened at him.’
good luck
Brant
had any of you seen any demonstrators at bethel when you worked there?
i am curious as to what any of you thought of them when you seen them holding signs and passing out pamphlets to jws as they were all walking by.
if any had seen them, did they have any impact on your life in any way?
mr. coffee actually got run over by a Bethel driver. Accident supposedly. I understand he got a claim.
odd potter your wrote:
I remember when it was 100 hours a month in the late 60's early 70s.
When I was a pioneer it was 90 hours and it was tough to get and
earn enough money to live, even though I was living at home.
In the late 60's and early 70's the requirements were 1200 per year.
I missed my time in 1971 by 3 hours, I got 1197 not the required 1200. I kid you not, I got a NASTY letter from those son of a bitches, suggesting that I consider leaving the pioneer ranks as I was not able to take the ministry 'seriously' enough.
Like a fool, I wrote and apologized and stayed on.
what a dumb ass.
Brant
this is a question for all elders or others who might be in the know.. when would someone's df form be put in a sealed envelope?
i know that this happens sometimes if the person has done something very bad but i'm not sure what.
i know the envelope remains sealed unless and until the person looks to get reinstated.. i happen to know this happened to a dfed person in the cong i just left.
They seal the envelope, but they put the name of the person and the names of the members of the committee on the outside of the envelope.
In the event that it is a while before reinstatement takes place, which it usually is, they try to regroup the original committee for the new hearing, but usually one or all is gone. In any case, since memories are frail, the new committee opens the envelope and reads the notes that were taken at the initial meeting.
This puts the new group in a better position to deal with 'specifics' again.
Thats about it.
That is one of the reasons why the "priest penitent" privilege for the witnesses has NOT been holding up in court. It is not confidential.
Any goofus with a key can open the cong. file and then open any sealed envelope at any time.
Most of the time sexually driven elders when given a key to the box will make it their aim to review all the letters that they can 'for their own purposes'.
Brant
i have started to read about cults with the book by steve hassan.
i look over my shoulder at the library, no way in the world i will check it out or buy it and take it home.
thank you all for your recommendations.
Our PO was a pedophile.
I Was an elder investigating his conduct. We charged him with PEDOPHILIA.
I LIED TO HIM and said that we had TWO WITNESSES. He confessed.
We deliberated 20 minutes and disfellowshipped him.
So YES, you can convene a Judicial Hearing with ONE witness.
The LIE worked.
I am not sorry for it.
Brant
you don't have any rights here.
you cannot do as you see fit - simon can.
you are just a poster on a free web site and simon is your host.
lone ranger: I agree with you.
I really don’t understand your point, but if you think you should be able to say whatever you like, then no one has that right, there are others here , so you need to keep within the rules, also this is supposed to be a Jehovah’s- witness forum not a Gay-rights forum, so keep within the subject matter.
Some people aren't happy unless they are flaunting their "supposed" rights to the detriment of others.
Their are plenty of sexual forums for all kinds of sex talk, and then, surprisingly there is the ability to PM each other.
Get the sex shit off the board.
Brant
i've noticed as of late that quite a few people are posting "good bye" threads.... why?.
sometimes people have disagreements or arguments, but does that mean they can't remain friends or talk?.
hell, if i left my wife every time we had an argument, we wouldn't have stayed married through our honeymoon!
sacolton wrote:
I have to admit that the way things were going on this forum ... if my wife ever decided to start researching outside the organization - I would NEVER let her view this forum. It would scare her back into the Kingdom Hall. I'm serious!
I am really inclined to agree with you.
Brant
That's an excellent point. I think we all should consider our former friends who are trapped in the cult, and what there reaction would be here? It is a big drunken orgy? If so, then it validates what the JW tells them about "apostates". This place should be about doctrine discussion, news updates, sharing stories of JW experience, and support.
I agree with this comment too.
Brant
well, i just finished reading marley cole's "jehovah's witnesses - the new world society" book from 1955. i'll provide a few quotes to introduce it in case you aren't familiar with the book.
ray franz in crisis of conscience, p74, 2004 hc edition: cole wrote the book as if he were a non-witness writing an objective account.
the idea was that by having the book published by an outside publishing firm it might reach persons who normally would not take society literature.
I read the book in the 1960's while I was in prison in Springfield, Missouri due to the Vietnam Draft.
I am stunned now to learn he had been a witness since the early 40's.
I guess I was just not paying enough attention.
"What Kind of Fool Am I"????? (old song, makes me think of myself)
Brant
Welcome Ray,
Good job leaving.
Brant
