Posts by Virgochik

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Just out of curiosity, how many elders (current & ex) do we have here?

by mrquik in

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me.

Virgochik

I'm finding their stories very powerful evidence that nothing has changed since I grew up an elder's daughter. There was so much backstabbing, politics and jostling for power. We had about a twenty minute ride home from the hall and I heard all the dirt my father related to my mother as he drove. Every few years he'd change congregations because he couldn't work with the BOE. There were always divisions, with competing elders drawing their own cliques. At one point I became seriously ill from the stress placed on an elder's child to be an example, and from all the backstabbing and changing halls.

My mother's an elderly widow now. She sincerely believes it's the truth and tries to encourage me to get involved again, even though my health suffered badly when I was growing up. The elders are just responding to an invitation to post; I don't see any of them acting like they're superior over the rest of us. Many have struggled with posting thir stories and it hasn't been an easy decision for them. It seems like they decided go ahead because the information they can share will be helpful to others. It means so much to me, knowing that I wasn't imagining the unloving, competitive drive of those men of my childhood years, and knowing that things haven't changed firms my belief that I don't want to get entangled again with this religion. By their fruits we will know them, and they are not Jesus' disciples.

My heart felt thanks to current and former elders and MS. I feel your pain thru what my father went through with the org, especially some nasty CO's and you can feel very alone if you're an outcast from the good old boys.

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Is there really holy spirit at the meetings?

by Island Man in

jehovah's witnesses teach that holy spirit acts as a remembrancer, enabling a person to remember things he studied in the past on the spur of the moment when he needs it.

jehovah's witnesses pray for holy spirit to direct their meetings and believe that there is holy spirit in operation during their meetings.. but have you noticed how, during a question and answer discussion, the brother on the platform would sometimes forget the names of persons in the audience - persons he knows very well?

you would think that holy spirit would at least enable them to remember the name of someone they have seen and spoken to every week at the meeting for years!.

Virgochik

Then there were the terrifying nightmares I had after meeting nights. I called them my demon dreams. I remembered them vividly in the morning, including the voices they had and what they looked like. We didn't have a tv during most of my school years so we could spend time reading the Society's scheize, so I wasn't getting these images from tv shows. There was and probably still is something very wrong in Kingdom Halls. Maybe, and that's a big maybe, once upon a time they had God's blessing but I feel Jehovah has withdrawn his approval due to the rotten fruit and corruption that's taken over.

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Is there really holy spirit at the meetings?

by Island Man in

jehovah's witnesses teach that holy spirit acts as a remembrancer, enabling a person to remember things he studied in the past on the spur of the moment when he needs it.

jehovah's witnesses pray for holy spirit to direct their meetings and believe that there is holy spirit in operation during their meetings.. but have you noticed how, during a question and answer discussion, the brother on the platform would sometimes forget the names of persons in the audience - persons he knows very well?

you would think that holy spirit would at least enable them to remember the name of someone they have seen and spoken to every week at the meeting for years!.

Virgochik

I don't know what lurks in the Halls, but I felt a bad vibe in the ones I went to, growing up as an elder's daughter, almost sinister and definitely not holy or good. Ive been in churches in Scotland and Denmark and felt no presence at all inside. Then we entered a church in Mazatlan Mexico, and were just stopped in awe by the overwhelming hum inside. The place just vibrated with goodness. I touched my husband's arm and said, let's be quiet and show respect because God is truly present in this church. I never ever experienced that in a Kingdom Hall.

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My wife and thanksgiving

by DS211 in

so my wife and i chatted about thanksgiving last night and decided were going to celebrate it.

she was reluctant at first but i then brought out that according to the bible that we shouldnt judge nor be judged on celebrating a festival because we are also still giving thanks to god for the life we have.

i know many witnesses are on the fence on whether thanksgiving is politicak or pagan or whatever, but its no e of those.

Virgochik

"She could witness during such meal."

She won't have to worry about any more invitations, ha!

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ANNOUNCING the Amazon.com KINDLE version of my BOOK

by Terry in

http://www.amazon.com/i-wept-rivers-babylon-ebook/dp/b00fmhq4gk/ref=sr_1_1_title_0_main?s=books&ie=utf8&qid=1380884339&sr=1-1&keywords=i+wept+by+the+rivers+of+babylon+terry+walstrom.

i wept by the rivers of babylon is now instantly availabe at amazon.. i published the 6x9 trade paperback version last monday and the e-book book (non-kindle) versions.. http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/m0rtslaw.

i hope the decent reviews are posted before the customary savage knee-jerk jehovah's witness crew jumps on and finds the juggular.. .

Virgochik

I'm ordering the book! I feel bad that my father was the congregation servant back then in the small town I grew up in, and he was sending guys like you off to prison with his bad advise to refuse the draft. One young guy I remember especially was sentenced to prison in Milan, Michigan. In his old age, my father turned around and claimed every VA benefit he could from his Army years before he becme a Witnoid. I'm speechless over that one.

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Colorado Flooding Near My House

by dazed but not confused in

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here are some picture in my neighborhood.. our house was not affected.

there is possibly more flash flooding expected tonight.. in the picture below our house sits at the bottom right corner about 2 blocks out of frame.

yesterday and tonight we are staying in another town with family.. .

Virgochik

Dazed, thanks for posting the Colorado make my day law. I will pass it on to my pal Mr. Ruger, lol. It's disgusting to think anyone would take advantage of the flood situation to loot homes, but there was a group doing that after the Waldo Canyon fires too. Fortunately they were rounded up. You and your family take care.

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Colorado Flooding Near My House

by dazed but not confused in

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here are some picture in my neighborhood.. our house was not affected.

there is possibly more flash flooding expected tonight.. in the picture below our house sits at the bottom right corner about 2 blocks out of frame.

yesterday and tonight we are staying in another town with family.. .

Virgochik

Dazed, best of luck to you! I live in El Paso county and we got hit hard. Never saw so much rain in my life, and they're predicting more heavy rain and possible flash floods on Sunday.

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My first gun

by LivingTheDream in

my first gun.

i realize that not all jws avoid guns.

if you live where they hunt for food, it was ok to have guns as a jw.

Virgochik

Home defense is my story, and I'm sticking to it! I told my JW mother that I bought a Smith & Wesson m&p 9mm and she got quiet. Next I remembered with regrets the Rossi .38 special I traded in at a gun show for a cheapo .380, so I bought a Ruger LCR .357 which I load with 38 special ammo. Here sits this .380 box of ammo, so we recently bought a S & W .380, "The Bodyguard" for my birthday because we didn't want that good ammo going to waste. Wow! What fun it is to go target shooting at the range! Walmart has some zombie targets that are fun to tack up and practice your accuracy on. My hubby & I discovered a new hobby and he was pleased that I like going. I gave him the 9mm so now I may need to find one for me! At work, quite a few women are getting into handguns for target shooting and personal protection. You can't just wring your hands if someone breaks in your house, or do they think mumbling a prayer and killing them with kindness works?

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Should an elder discourage military service even if said elder has a military pension?

by garyneal in

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discussion with my wife concerning what i perceive as a hypocrisy that i see amongst elders (and ministerial servants) who happened to serve in the military long enough to draw a pension check.

all this in a former life (read before coming in to the truth) of course.

i think if said elder were to discourage a young one from seeking military service, or worse participate in the disfellowshipping of such a person if he or she choose to serve, smacks of total hypocrisy.

Virgochik

My father was an elder and actually applied to VA for additional benefits in his seventies. He only served one tour in the army in his twenties but had no problem with asking for money. He was an elder when he did this and had done his fair share of lecturing young men to refuse to serve when there was a draft during the Vietnam war. Some of them went to prison for it.

My parents were mad that VA turned them down for assistance because they'd blown through their inheritance and now VA turned them down. How were they supposed to make ends meet?

I thught they should've been ashamed of themselves.

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New Child Abuse lawsuit to be filed tomorrow in Ohio against WT and congregation

by AndersonsInfo in

media alert: press conference wednesday, july 31, 2013, 11:00 am .

civil lawsuit filed against ohio jehovahs witnesses congregation and national organizations by sexual abuse victim .

childhood victim suffered sexual abuse from congregational leader over a four year period .

Virgochik

rI'm sorry there are more victims, but I think it's awesome the BotchTower is being dragged down into the real world, where this is not OK, or to be swept under the rug!