i know this is an english language forum, but i was contacted by someone who has a flock book in spanish that they are willing to give to the cause.
should i send it to my normal pdf person?
as always, a pm will do.
Uh, hello....I would call putting your mug on here braver than brave. Like Brave Little Toaster brave, only braver. More like Braveheart kind of brave.
In fact from now on I choose to refer to RichieRich as Sir Richard the Brave Heart. And can you believe it? He already has merchandise available.
disclaimer - i did not write this.
i found this on a discussion board about whether or not the bible is "finished".
this was from a poster about a year ago and i got a chuckle out of it.. .
Disclaimer - I did not write this. I found this on a discussion board about whether or not the bible is "finished". This was from a poster about a year ago and I got a chuckle out of it.
I suspect that at some point "The Gospel of George Dubya Bush" may be added.
"1. In the beginning, Gahd said unto George, 'Thou shalt be President, and thou shalt smite third world nations who have oil.' And George obeyed"
2. And George did beget George Dubya, and Gahd sayeth unto him, 'More of the same old son', and George Dubya obeyified.
3. And did George Dubya surveyed the destruction that he had wrought in the name of Gahd, and thought 'The heathens will not misunderestimate me again'. Praise the Lord"
i've been reading up on the constantine's involvement in the compilation of the bible at the council of nicaea.
as well as the ousting of arius because of his "controversial" beliefs.
it's been many years since i've read any watchtower literature...anyone know what the jw's believe / teach / preach regarding this subject.
In reading the posts on this thread, it hit me that this discussion would take a different tone if one thing were different. Most of us were raised in a Christian nation, and therefore were taught from infancy that there is a god, and his word is in the bible. Take that prejudice away and look again.Imagine this group having a discussion centered about the Hindu Vedas.
The day you begin to look at the bible as a piece of literature instead of the word of god, things look so different.
I'm so glad you brought this up. It's true, if I lived in another country or was raised in another religion it would just be a different book...the Quran, the Torah, the Book of Mormon etc etc. And this has been another thing on my mind. If it's become to me just a book I have to rethink what part in my life it played. I can't say the history or prophecy or symbolism were very important to me. I think I looked at it more as just a guide to living a good life and trying to be a good person. But that being said, it forced me to ask myself the question, do I really need a book to tell me how to live my life, or how to tell right from wrong? No, I don't.
Which led me to wonder what about before there were books.....hasn't every ancient civilization from throughout the various ages in history had a set of golden rules, codes of honor, commandments etc that they lived by? And they did so without the need of a bible (okay maybe they wrote it on a cave somewhere). Then that made me think further about all the cultures that were far from the geographic area where most bible history occured.....the Incas, the Mayans, the Aborgines, the early Native Americans.....they developed a similar set of values as outlined in the bible....so it has to be inherent, basic, common sense.
So I guess I've just come to the conclusion that I don't need a piece of literature to know this.
Justin, great links!!! Thanks. Very interesting. I personally think the book of Susanna should have made the final cut
i know this has been talked about before but i still find it ...interesting.. if jesus did return in 1914(invisibly) why do the jw still observe passover.
was it not to be observed until he arrived?
maybe that is the new light jesus did not come in 1914 he is coming now, and that would explain why this may be the last memorial.. just a thought
free2beme, I love your answer the best!
We hope this clears up any confusion that teaching 100 years of confusion may have caused
Gary you get me every time!!
i've been reading up on the constantine's involvement in the compilation of the bible at the council of nicaea.
as well as the ousting of arius because of his "controversial" beliefs.
it's been many years since i've read any watchtower literature...anyone know what the jw's believe / teach / preach regarding this subject.
Very interesting Narkissos, thanks for those links. Those are two I had not come across.
And merfi, that was what I tried to say at the very beginning (and wow did this thread lead WAY OVER >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THERE) if there are books thatdidn't make the cut...what did they say? How do we know they weren't more important? And like you said, what if there is stuff in there that shouldn't be? Can I say in my heart anymore that I think it's inspired or accurate? Unfortunately, no. I just don't feel it.
And whether it was Constantine (no one slap me down for bringing him up again) or some other guy or group of guys, who says they were inspired by god. This wasn't done by Jesus or his apostles. It was many many years later, right?
And another thing I mentioned in the first post, is what the JW take on the actual compilation of the bible. I haven't had access to WT literature in many years, so I'm curious...they say the men that wrote the bible were inspired by god if I remember correctly....so do they also think that the dudes who pulled it together into one tidy little book inspired too?
i was reading coc last night and i started pondering over minimus' post of how the dubs are saying this is the last memorial and the end is finally here.
then i remembered the teaching that the first setoff to the big a. any thoughts on this?.
luv, jojo
kitty, for what it's worth I remember that too from growing up...I recall it being planted in my head that governments around the world would "close the doors" on religion. And then the great tribulation would start. Now.... am I remembering that from the platform at the hall? from assemblies? my parents? literature? I don't have a clue. Could it have just been clever propaganda fed to me that led me to that "preception"...sure. But whatever, it was there.
But I just wanted you to know you aren't alone!!!
i've been reading up on the constantine's involvement in the compilation of the bible at the council of nicaea.
as well as the ousting of arius because of his "controversial" beliefs.
it's been many years since i've read any watchtower literature...anyone know what the jw's believe / teach / preach regarding this subject.
I have NEVER read the DaVinci code, folks. So let's move on from that. Also, I'm not interested in debating with any of you. I started this thread merely because I've begun to have some personal doubts about the bible being the inspired word of god and I just felt like sharing. I wasn't under the impression that I was going to have to "identify my sources" or justify why I think what I think. Share. Just share.
As far as my source?? What started my curiosity was someone's comments on here. From there I've just done some research online. No, I've not been to the library yet to do further research. Let the insults begin.
So did Constantine not commision the first "bible"? And if not, then who did? Someone else? One guy, a bunch of guys? Third century? Fourth century? Hundreds of years after Jesus' time?
i've been reading up on the constantine's involvement in the compilation of the bible at the council of nicaea.
as well as the ousting of arius because of his "controversial" beliefs.
it's been many years since i've read any watchtower literature...anyone know what the jw's believe / teach / preach regarding this subject.
dude, I've never even heard of Dan Brown and I don't think you can know what I've been reading.
My post didn't mention "canon". I was researching the origins of the bible, you know the one we have today with 66 books. I wanted to know how that particular form came to be. And everything I've read says that this form originated under Constantine's rule at his direction.
Man, you have a few doubts about the bible really being the inspired word of god and people start attacking you...
"the poster erroneusly state"...."I think you've been reading blah blah blah" . Reminds me of someplace else I've been that starts with a K and ends with a HALL.
i've been reading up on the constantine's involvement in the compilation of the bible at the council of nicaea.
as well as the ousting of arius because of his "controversial" beliefs.
it's been many years since i've read any watchtower literature...anyone know what the jw's believe / teach / preach regarding this subject.
codeblue, exactly!!! Thank you. Who's Dan Brown?
i've been reading up on the constantine's involvement in the compilation of the bible at the council of nicaea.
as well as the ousting of arius because of his "controversial" beliefs.
it's been many years since i've read any watchtower literature...anyone know what the jw's believe / teach / preach regarding this subject.
Justitia and Death to the Pixies.....your suggestions look very interesting. Thank you, I will check them out.
