Xanthippe,
Do you mean Luke 17:30?
What is it, do you want me to clarify about my use of this verse?
LL
understanding the holy bible.. .
after many years of study of scripture, our bible study group has discovered something very important that needs to be realized or absorbed, before one can come to a correct understanding of the bible.
we call it, the "linchpin" effect... .
Xanthippe,
Do you mean Luke 17:30?
What is it, do you want me to clarify about my use of this verse?
LL
understanding the holy bible.. .
after many years of study of scripture, our bible study group has discovered something very important that needs to be realized or absorbed, before one can come to a correct understanding of the bible.
we call it, the "linchpin" effect... .
Hi all
Let me define the meaning of the Greek word, what we today call "Apocalypse" or "Revelation."
The word translated "Revelation" in the bible means "to take the cover off," [see apokalupsis (602 Strong's)), from the preposition apo (575), from, and kalupto (2572), to cover.
Thus, the "uncovering" we speak of today, is referred to in Luke 17:30 as the "revealing" of the son of man. Also, John 16:13, 14 shows, this one, the "Spirit of Truth," works in harmony with Jesus Christ to carry out God's Will for our day and time...and reveal "All Truth" and "Declare the things coming" or the future. This day is now!
Peace out,
LL
understanding the holy bible.. .
after many years of study of scripture, our bible study group has discovered something very important that needs to be realized or absorbed, before one can come to a correct understanding of the bible.
we call it, the "linchpin" effect... .
hi everyone:.
i was just wondering how were the baptized jehovah's witnesses responding to the royal commission inquiry.. i know there must be a number of australians present here that could tell us this.. i was especially wanting to know how the jehovah's witnesses were taking the testimony of the governing body member geoffrey jackson?.
thanks for your comments.. littleleslie .
Hi Everyone:
I was just wondering how were the baptized Jehovah's Witnesses responding to the Royal Commission Inquiry.
I know there must be a number of Australians present here that could tell us this.
I was especially wanting to know how the Jehovah's Witnesses were taking the testimony of the Governing Body member Geoffrey Jackson?
Thanks for your comments.
Littleleslie
i took a hiatus from jwn because the wall started to collapse because i lost several people ive known almost my entire life.
these were people i thought would never die, the lies told by the watchtower is unforgivable!
there was a party i attended keeping a low profile while documenting what was said.
Hi SanLuis:
Thanks for replying so quickly.
I'm surprised, shocked!
So you are saying among active baptized witnesses in your area, there is a functioning "underground JW rail-road" for escape, for those who are secretly disturbed and doubting, because of searching out or being exposed to errors of the Governing Body & Watchtower Society that are currently being taught to the brotherhood? But, "mums-the-word"... its all hush-hush, Wow!
Okay, I understand.
But I have to admit, this is a very, very interesting development of late among Jehovah's Witnesses.
I'm a little more intrigued by the use of the term, the "Great Apostate and his friend."
You mentioned below:
Trained Company Elders look for answers deep outside the real issue why Elders, Servants, Pioneers and Publishers are compelled to leave the Watchtower either by outward proclamations (The Great Apostate and his friend), or they stop attending the Kingdom Hall and refuse all Shepherding Calls if they are so lucky to receive these unwanted gestures of re-assimilation.
Why are they referred to as the "Great Apostate and his friend"?
From what you have said above, it seems like the "Great Apostate & his friend" are two individuals from the Jehovah's Witnesses organization, because of being very vocal about matters (like making "proclamations" and all) that have become somewhat known among skeptical, searching "brothers" & "sisters" in the organization, in your area.
Do I have that right?
What makes this particular "Apostate" Great, do you know? Do you know why they call him that?
Also, do you know their personal names, but do not wish to tell us specifically who they are, or go public with this info because "they" could be found out and be "disfellowshipped"? (I don't want to pry.)
Or perhaps, among active Jehovah's Witnesses in your area, is the "Great Apostate" known only by that designation, as well as the one they call "his friend"? But his personal name, is not known [as well as his "friend"] among active Jehovah's Witnesses in your area?
Is this something, you can speak about, safely?
...just wondering.
Thanks in advance for your reply,
LL
i took a hiatus from jwn because the wall started to collapse because i lost several people ive known almost my entire life.
these were people i thought would never die, the lies told by the watchtower is unforgivable!
there was a party i attended keeping a low profile while documenting what was said.
Hi San Luis,
You mentioned:
... Instead of bringing comfort to our Circuits the Witch Hunt that began almost 4 years ago continues with phishing, fishing and badgering phone calls, emails and texts asking if we had any information about the Great Apostate and anyone who might be his moles.
This is the first I've heard of this occurring in the kingdom halls.
Any ideas as to who they [Watchtower Society] are saying the "Great Apostate" actually is, his name?
And also, who might be his "moles"?
...just wondering.
Thanks for the info.
LL
.. the new wbt$ donation arrangement/ jw kingdom hall bank account theft... is a very hot topic right now... the wbt$ is literally going to clean out kingdom hall bank accounts,filled with donations from jws... that theft is going to happen world wide..the wbt$ is going to steal from 7 million plus jw`s... .. we have jw elders here on jwn,that know whats going on... they "serve" in kingdom halls,they are "supposed" to be looking after the welfare of the average jw... they know there is a 4 page letter,only one page will be read to the congregation..the rest will be kept secret... they know the wbt$ is about to steal jw donations..on a world wide scale!!!...
.. i would like to know what you active jw elders are going to do about this??!!...
are you going to let "your" congregation know about the other 3 secret pages?...
Frankiespeakin said:
It doesn't take an elder who knows 'rocket science' to see that the rank and file's hard earned dollars are being robbed from them and that most kingdom hall refurbashing accounts have been whiped clean and stolen by the GB, all because you can't and ain't allowed to disobey directives from Faithful and Discreet Slave without serious repercussions.
Some may rationalized it all as a good thing that the WT corporation got the cash but those are the real brain dead whackos that don't have a mind of their own and have swallowed WT propaganga hook, line, and sinker. But I suppose that a good percentage see the thievery involved what that will cause them to do? That's a personal decision, and I'm sure a major crossroad in one's life.
You can be sure this robbery will be the begining of the end as far as any contributions are concerned. This is a bold and very stupid move by these delusional men running things this one is going to bit them in the ass big time pledge or no pledged, they put too much pressure on these people and they will crack.
This is really terrible! Jehovah's sheep are being fleeced just like Ezekiel 34th Chapter describes! The "Governing Body" are proving to be really evil!
Another thread I was reading today "I hear it but I can't believe it"... is telling how after getting all the KH's excess money, they are now asking the brothers to donate MORE money for an electronic system which will cost about $6,000 dollars, and this is AFTER cleaning our the congregation's accounts, just a few months before.
Here is the link to this thread:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/283151/1/I-hear-it-but-I-cant-believe-it#.VAJa5fldUnp
We must educate ourselves. Just how did the few men up in Bethel get all this power anyway? They are not doing right, are they? Here is some information to help you see that it's just a power grab and that really, they do not have legitimate authority from Jehovah God to be the "Governing Body", so why not learn from the Bible, the truth will set you free. John 8:32
Here is the link:
LL
question:.
how did a proven "fake," "phony" arrangement [like "governing body" arrangement]...become the "faithful & discreet slave" arrangement???.
so then if it can be proven, the "governing body" term and arrangement is a farce, a fake, a made-up nonscriptural arrangement itself, (made up and concocted by nathan knorr & frederick franz in 1944) then how can this fake arrangement now suddenly become the "faithful & discreet slave" that jesus spoke of?
Hi Designs:
Little- so are you of the opinion that there is a correct holy spirit led way for christians to gather and be led.
Well, I noticed a heading on the top of a bible discussion board that said the following:
"According to the Bible, Jehovah provided much needed INSPIRED LEADERSHIP in the first century and in ancient times (like in the days of Moses), and yet are we to believe He refuses to see the need of providing it in our day and time? Does this make sense to you? Does this seem consistent to you? (See John 16:13, 14)"
I agree with that thought, after rambling around with the Watchtower idiots for close to three decades so far, and not getting anywhere.
I now believe it is going to take INSPIRED leadership from God, to accomplish God's Will in our time.
...my opinion.
Here is an excellent article written on the same topic found at:
http://livingwatersforum.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=802
At the top of this particular bible discussion board, you will see the top heading with the message I mentioned above.
...hope this helps.
LL
question:.
how did a proven "fake," "phony" arrangement [like "governing body" arrangement]...become the "faithful & discreet slave" arrangement???.
so then if it can be proven, the "governing body" term and arrangement is a farce, a fake, a made-up nonscriptural arrangement itself, (made up and concocted by nathan knorr & frederick franz in 1944) then how can this fake arrangement now suddenly become the "faithful & discreet slave" that jesus spoke of?
So then if we know for a fact,
(a) the term "governing body" is a made-up term (by N. Knorr & F. Franz) taken from the October 15th, 1944 and November 1st, 1944 Watchtower magazines (used some 47 times in them in its first mention).
See link for details: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/279590/1/Theocratic-Rule-Requires-Theocratic-Appointment-Does-It-Not#.U_tQUvldV6A
(b) Then, this fact now must be COMPOUNDED with the fact that Jehovah's Witnesses have been trying to figure out exactly who pictures the "Faithful & Discreet Slave" [Matt. 24:45-47] ever since back during Charles Russell days, and still can't get it ...
(c) and now recently (since July 15th, 2013 Watchtower issue) we learn the "holy spirit" has finally led them to the ridiculous conclusion that the...
fake"governing body" = Faithful & Discreet Slave???
...does not this show the whole "dog & pony show" teaching and all of the "hoopla" about who leads Jehovah's Witnesses is a NONscriptural JOKE?
Isn't that fact, now quite evident?
Isn't this clear proof, the JW Organization is NOT led by "holy spirit" ... and it is very easy for anyone to prove it?
LL
question:.
how did a proven "fake," "phony" arrangement [like "governing body" arrangement]...become the "faithful & discreet slave" arrangement???.
so then if it can be proven, the "governing body" term and arrangement is a farce, a fake, a made-up nonscriptural arrangement itself, (made up and concocted by nathan knorr & frederick franz in 1944) then how can this fake arrangement now suddenly become the "faithful & discreet slave" that jesus spoke of?
Hi all,
Question:
How Did A Proven "Fake," "Phony" Arrangement [like "governing body" arrangement]...Become The "Faithful & Discreet Slave" Arrangement???
So then if it can be proven, the "governing body" term and arrangement is a farce, a fake, a made-up NONscriptural arrangement itself, (made up and concocted by Nathan Knorr & Frederick Franz in 1944) then how can this fake arrangement NOW suddenly become the "Faithful & Discreet Slave" that Jesus spoke of? And especially in view of the fact that now we learn, this same Watchtower magazine went on to make the startling revelation, that even first century christians, and the apostles themselves who raised the dead and did other fantastic miracles from God Almighty, did not themselves qualify to become this powerful figure we call the "Faithful & Discreet Slave" that supposedly "governs" the christian congregation? -- See July 15th, 2013 Watchtower magazine; 2 Peter 1:16.
How can this be?
...any thoughts?
For more background details on this material, please see the thread found at: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/279590/1/Theocratic-Rule-Requires-Theocratic-Appointment-Does-It-Not#.U_j4NPmwJMA
LL