Posts by AudeSapere

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Another death in the family

by Decided in

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my brother's wife just died.

it seems someone in my family is dying every month lately.

i guess when you get my age everyone you are friends with will be gone soon, including myself.. ken p..

AudeSapere

Sorry for your loss. Nice that you are able to be pall bearer and that you were able to share some fun conversation with the rest of the family.

-Aude.

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Interesting Choice of Words

by piztjw in

i get into words, and why certain words are used, and the meaning of certain words as they are used, especially by the wt&t$.

i noticed the way this statement about relief work in the phillipines news article on j.worg was written:.

"an estimated 15 to 20 percent of those seeking refuge at the site are non-witnesses.".

AudeSapere

Interesting observation.

Also, the other non-JW's (aside from kids) might be UnBelieving Mates...?

-Aude.

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3 days ago Apostate walks into Watchtower headquarters gets a new Bible Leaves his business card

by Watchtower-Free in

bo juel jensen from norway was visiting new york 3 days ago .

he is an apostate activist and a child abuse survivor .. this is the video.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odluwssd_qy.

AudeSapere

Juan - My audio is crap. But the comments are clear. Listen again from 1:35 to 1:50. Listen to the off-camera guy. He is being inappropriately crass.

I don't believe the comment was intentionally put in the video. I think is was just carelessly overlooked in the editing process.

-Aude.

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3 days ago Apostate walks into Watchtower headquarters gets a new Bible Leaves his business card

by Watchtower-Free in

bo juel jensen from norway was visiting new york 3 days ago .

he is an apostate activist and a child abuse survivor .. this is the video.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odluwssd_qy.

I have to go with Outlaw on this. One of the guys off-camera definitely says "...whip out a huge erection" at 1:40 into the video. Then he laughs, apologizes while talking over JoBuel and tries to refocus to get back on track.

It is inappropriate humor for a group that takes aim at assisting children and active/inactive JWs.

Agree, it was poor editing to leave that comment in. The comment and the background laughter makes the entire 'stunt' seem way too sophmoric and detracts from their message and efforts.

-Aude.

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3 days ago Apostate walks into Watchtower headquarters gets a new Bible Leaves his business card

by Watchtower-Free in

bo juel jensen from norway was visiting new york 3 days ago .

he is an apostate activist and a child abuse survivor .. this is the video.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odluwssd_qy.

AudeSapere

@Outlaw - There are several videos on their site. Which one are you referring to?

-Aude.

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In need of advice...

by mobumpkin in

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friends

hi i am new here thank you for letting me join.

i first of all want to say i am not here to bash the religion.

there are good people in the congregation but also bad ones.

AudeSapere

I don't have advice for you... Just a warm Welcome to JWN.

You will find that most of us here can completely relate to your family situation.

-Aude.

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A letter from my Mom

by ateograciasadios in

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friends

friends,.

i have seen several posts like the following, and never thought i would have to write one myself, but here we go: my dear mom is forcing me to make a move... one that i have been really avoiding as much as possible.

she wrote me an email today, and here i am giving you an idea of its contents.

AudeSapere

Sorry to hear about this letter. It is heart-breaking to get and even worse when you get that in writing.

I think she is referring to JR Brown in Bethel. There are some YouTube videos and in particular is a recording from a former JWN poster. What he says in the interview completely contradicts many things that active JWs are taught.

It might be interesting for you to listen to that audio and/or read the transcript. Put the ball back in your mom's court.

-Aude.

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Letter to Governing Body .Recorded conversations with Elders

by Watchtower-Free in

i found this on youtube...very good example of twisted reasoning by elders.. .

recorded conversations with elders by a former pioneer....a series.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pw8amuphqis.

AudeSapere

marked.

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Ex-Jehovah's Witnesses Wisconsin and Midwest

by Watchtower-Free in

so who's from wisconsin and the midwest usa.

AudeSapere

There used to be a whole BUNCH of JWNers from the Wisconsin area. One by one they seem to have drifted off. I hope they drifted into real life.

Those from Wisconsin also used to have some pretty regular Apostafests, it seemed.

-Aude. (From SoCal, not Wisconsin)

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Advice, TTATT or Bible

by Crazyguy in

i really starting to see the problems with the bible and it being influenced by other cultures, religions and also the fact that many of the books or letter were written after the fact or so called prophecy.

so i am wondering would it work better to try to wake my children to ttatt about the jw cult or work on destroying the bible and its credibility?

which do you think would work better??

AudeSapere

Personally, I would stick with the un-christianness of the WTS. And the inconsistencies that lead to The Truth About the Truth.

Full-frontal confrontation to shake someone's faith just puts them on the defensive. JWs go into cult-mode. Other christians go into pious mode and highlight all the good they do/have done.

Until someone personally feels the effects of the WTS, they will find a way to explain away the apparent discrepancies.

I consider myself agnostic and do not put much creadance in the Bible anymore. However, I believe there is some literary significance to it. And for some people it is their rock. It feels unfair to attack that rock at this stage. Better to go with highlighting the unchristian-ness of the crazy men with their crazy religion and how they are wholly unqualified to dictate how 7+million people should live their lives.

Disfellowshipping - Jesus would not do it. His disciples would not do it.

Blood - Is the symbol of life more important than life itself? Why is it OK to accept fractions made from donated blood but not OK to donate blood to help someone else? Could the reason for the bible's admonishment to abstain be due to the fact that in bible times that the available blood was due to the fact that someone had been killed or injured and therefore the *donor's* life was being disrespected??? In modern times, blood is donated by healthy people whose lives are not threatened; the donated blood is an altruistic *gift* from a healthy person with respect for the life of the infirm person.

Mexico/Malawi - All the persecution of the black brothers in Malawi was read to us as teenagers in the mid-70's. Why did the WTS push the agenda that resulted in horrific persecution of these brothers and sisters but in Mexico, accomodations were made for those brothers to comply with the government and avoid similar persecution? Why couldn't the same consideration be made for the tortured Malawis?

United Nations NGO - It's old news, but, seriously?? The wild beast and the harlot? Who's kidding who?? A library card? Right. Sure. F*cking hypocrites.

587/607 - Which was it? If 587, as confirmed by secular history, then 1914 is a fluky, contrived coincidence and Rutherford and his cronies are frauds.

The three things that were most important to me in breaking free from my mental and emotional attachment to JW were: Mexico/Malawi; UN NGO; and 587/607. It's been about 20 years since I up and walked out of the Kingdom Hall in the middle of a public talk so I'm a little bit out of touch with teachings that people have been hearing in that time. I suspect that most cannot explain the significance of 607 and how it relates to the 'godlike authority' of the current governing body. And younger people and newbies probably don't feel the same connection to the Malawi brothers. And since the 90's the society has been oh! so much softer on the UN. That old Babylon Great book probably has not been studied for decades. So these 3 'deal breakers' may not work on the current rank-and-file.

The new elder instructional video dramatizing the JC where the young man was threatened with disfellowshipping for dating - and possibly impregnating - a worldly girl. Telling him to breakoff all contact immediately. It's unconscionable.

The organization is all about isolation and legalities with different standards for the upper eschelon than the lowly rank-and-file. Right is right and wrong is wrong regardless of your status.

There is no outlet to speak any dissenting thoughts or ideas in the org. Be the outlet for honest thoughts - especially if they are original and personal. Encourage the exchange of freespeech and be patient. By allowing the expression of thought, you children and friends will be planting their own seeds.

Also find fun, clean, non-religious activities to do with the kids (and other friends) on a regular basis. Help them find enjoyment in interacting with moral, worldly people. Give them continuous options of going to boring meetings or fun, life-affirming activities. If they really want the meetings, it might mean you need to let them enjoy that. Just be sure to take pics of yourself and others having fun outdoors at the same time.

Best of luck to you helping them to wake up.

-Aude.