Posts by AudeSapere

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Australian child abuse enquiry.

by notoneoftheboys in

lies and more lies.

a question was asked by the court on having someone in the room for moral support with a minor child or frightened girl when being questioned by the elders over allegations of child abuse.

the elders book makes it clear no one else is allowed.

AudeSapere

Does policy of allowing 'support' to be present differ if the (young) woman (or man) is in the JC to present evidence of having been victimized vs if she is there to confess to her own personal sin??

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@Mephis - Thank you for citing Ali's comment about that his idea of support was the same 3 men probing for details allowed the accuser to 'take a break' when she needed.

I was gobsmacked that he would even consider this to be ANY type of 'support'. LOL. A break?? WTF kind of support is that for loving shephards of the flock of god to provide to one who has been violated? A potty break? Seriously? I think the commission was pretty galled to hear that response, too. I wanted to post that comment last night but Ali just kept talking and I just couldn't type and listen closely enough to his follow-up comments.

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Extrapolation of the Australia child abuse numbers

by sir82 in

(let me know if anyone thinks my assumptions are way out of line, or if i've forgotten anything).

basic facts:.

the australian royal commission has 1000+ documented cases of child abuse over 65 years.

AudeSapere

On page 2 of this post: There are 400K registered sex offenders in the USA and 320M inhabitants that is 0.13% of the population

That is just the *registered* offenders. I know for a fact there are MANY more offenders than are on the list. Some are just plain not even reported. Others avoid getting on the list by having a good attorney who works the system for their client to prevent this 'stigma' from being placed on their wealthy, prominent community member.

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Edit to add: Regarding extrapolating the data to show a huger potential, I don't see how that is even necessary. The documented numbers are bad enough. Simply noting that many, MANY cases are not even reported to ANYONE, that these 1006 are in Australia alone, and that it is 1006 *offenders*, not the number of victims. Most offenders assault multiple victims.

I think those numbers are solid -- and SCARY enough -- to get the attention of most decent people. No need to risk being considered an over-the-top alarmist.

The situation as it is presented, is bad enough. VERY bad, indeed.

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Australian hearings on JW.org child abuse featured on CNN

by Simon in

just about to start on next segment ...

AudeSapere

oppostate wrote: the photo chosen for the CNN news feature on the Australian Royal Commission's looking into the JW pedophile affair is that of a young man looking at a WT article entitled: "WHO REALLY IS THE FAITHFUL AND DISCREET SLAVE?"

LOL!! Nice catch~!! irony-much? LOL

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New World Translation Versions/Revisions

by PietaHouse in

hi folks.

new here, and growing weary of finding an e-text version of one of the earlier releases of the new world translation.

i have searched high and low, and for some reason, it is as if it does not exist.. i'm catholic, but for research purposes and as a courtesy to jws, i've put the 1984 and the 2013 versions in a database format for e-sword (e-sword.net).

AudeSapere

Wow. Just a few days ago I read an OLD thread on this site were some posters were trying to get a project like this started.

Trying to remember who those posters were or how to find that thread so it can be linked to here...

Welcome to JWN! A first post - and a 'gift' - all in one. Nice.

-AudeSapere (meaning: Dare to Know; Dare to Have Wisdom/Understanding; Dare to Think for Yourself)

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Uh-Oh, JW's are confused by the news reporting... Getting texts from active members

by thedepressedsoul in

you can refer to me as a still in mole.

anyway, i've been getting texts from jw's about the australia news.

the general census is that the jw's are very, very confused.

AudeSapere

OrphanCrow's link worked.

Would it help if we all clicked on the link to keep it tending well?

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Dino Ali Taking the Stand NOW

by AudeSapere in

jw
friends

dino ali, elder, taking the stand now in the australian hearings.. he's talking about interaction with disfellowshipped persons.. watch it live: .

http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.

-aude..

AudeSapere

These JW elders are showing themselves to be woefully ignorant of standard practices in the real world, seriously unprepared for the hearings, completely lacking in compassion for the victims, and untrained to be real shephards.

And all conveniently have poor memories.

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Dino Ali Taking the Stand NOW

by AudeSapere in

jw
friends

dino ali, elder, taking the stand now in the australian hearings.. he's talking about interaction with disfellowshipped persons.. watch it live: .

http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.

-aude..

AudeSapere

COntrO13r: Thanks for the recording and posting!

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OrphanCrow wrote: Dino actually told the judge that if he knew of a murder, that he would not report it to the police.

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And that testimony came AFTER BCB (??) told of a JW woman coming to her door while out witnessing with her young son. BCB (?) mentioned to be careful of people at the hall, especially those who take an extreme interest in children. The JW woman knew BCB's name and all the details of her abuse.

BCB used this as an example of how 'confidentiality' is non-existent within the JW org.

Was Dino's angle that he would not report murder due to clergy privilege and confidentiality?

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[Day 2 - 28/7]The Royal Commissions investigation of child sexual abuse within Jehovah’s Witnesses. + VIDEO

by C0ntr013r in

i decided to take one for the team and stay up to record day 2.. part 1 has been uploaded and part 2 and 3 will soon be available.. part 1: .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxspcullksa&list=plpq6kz-aghvqbadlzmqn26dvmpzddxlui&index=4.

playlist where the other parts will be added as i upload them, it also contains day 1 recorded by barbara:.

AudeSapere

Thank you!

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Dino Ali Taking the Stand NOW

by AudeSapere in

jw
friends

dino ali, elder, taking the stand now in the australian hearings.. he's talking about interaction with disfellowshipped persons.. watch it live: .

http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.

-aude..

AudeSapere

@Nicolaou - Barbara is posting as much as she can. But at 6hours per day for the next 2 WEEKS, not sure how much will actually be recorded.

I hope there is a written transcript. Some of the testimony is outrageous. It WILL make your blood boil.

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Dino Ali Taking the Stand NOW

by AudeSapere in

jw
friends

dino ali, elder, taking the stand now in the australian hearings.. he's talking about interaction with disfellowshipped persons.. watch it live: .

http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.

-aude..

AudeSapere

If you are an elder and hear report of a child having been sexually abused by her father 'for a long time', how can you possibly forget the details or the person who told you about it?

Yet that is what MrAli is claiming. He does not remember.

Soooo glad I am out of that ridiculous sham of a religion.