a guy was sitting in an airplane when another guy took the seat.
the new guy was a wreck, pale, hands shaking,.
biting his nails and moaning in fear.. "hey, pal, what's the matter?
My goodness, I thought Francois and I were a minority here, conservatively speaking that is.
It is good to hear people calling it like it is. My lady and I have a little piece of property in the high sierras of California, hoping to build our little cabin in the woods, when retirement happens. Just yesterday we were talking about how much we want to get out of California for all the above reasons!
Nevada looks better every day.
Danny
i realize my comments are a bit wordy and my thoughts scattered, but i just thought i'd toss this out.
in the past, jw's argued on doctrine and the xjw community argued also on doctrine.
these days many jw's are no longer able to argue their own beliefs and the xjw communty has less interest in discussing jw doctrine or christian doctrine.
Path,
***When I mentioned "defeating the WT", I did not mean it in the sense of destroying it or anything along those lines. I was referring to defeating them in a moral sense when we don't necessarily fit their stereotypes and prejudices about us. When we are not swallowed up with depression from having no one to talk to because of being DFed etc. and we make new friends, we defeat them imo.***
Yes. I could not agree more. Especially since I have the vivid memory of leaving in the early 80's, without the benefit of the internet. Those first 5 or 6 yrs after leaving, without anyone for support, were very difficult, so I truly agree with you.
Thanks for your response, I do understand more clearly what you were trying to get at.
Danny
i realize my comments are a bit wordy and my thoughts scattered, but i just thought i'd toss this out.
in the past, jw's argued on doctrine and the xjw community argued also on doctrine.
these days many jw's are no longer able to argue their own beliefs and the xjw communty has less interest in discussing jw doctrine or christian doctrine.
Path,
***if we are to be truly successful in defeating the WT.***
Are WE really trying to do so? Is that why we come to these forums?
Recently we all witnessed what transpired with Silentlambs, splintering the ex-jw community even more than it already was. Becoming more organized/social does not insure a cooperative result.
Even these apostofests are predicated on an assumption, that being, since we are ex-jw we should be in attendance, we should seek each other out. Why?
If several friendly people want to meet and enjoy an evening great. But to put some sort of 'cause' or social responsibility on it, diminishes the effort/enjoyment. Almost kin to meeting attendance, equating someone's worth by thier sharing comments and regular attendance.
There are many poster's here (Iam sure this works in reverse as well) I don't ever care to meet up with, based solely on thier words recorded here. Why should I feel any compunction to be friendly with them? For the ex-jw cause?
I like the way it is in everyday life, one on one, if you develope a friendship if based on reality, not some percieved goal or agenda.
Danny
you, farkel and others continue to mete out unfair assessments of the position i have taken because it apparently is out of sync with your worldview.
also, that remark implying that simon tolerates my posts as if my expressed beliefs are a nuisance on this forum are putting words in his mouth.
you seem to think that it's inappropriate to express views on jehovahs-witness.com that don't support the specific partylines of two major camps: partyline jehovah's witnesses as represented by the watchtower society or farkelline ex-jehovah's witnesses with strong steinhaugist underpinnings.
***Derrick and Scooby,
Taking the 'high road' here in this place is easy for fella's like you. You slither around representing yourselves as jw's in one form or another, yet continue to post here on this nefarious 'apostate site'.
I tell you what, you two are really the epitime of self agrondizing con artists. You have convinced yourselves that you are better than the average jw, thus allowing you to ignore the advice and policy of the wtbs in seeking out association with vile apostates.
You utilize this forum for your own self promotion, yet when confronted with facts, questions, sincere observations, you simply ignore them. What two pompus self absorbed dingbats you really are.
Rick your above post betray's your angst, you just simply can't bear the fact, that you have no answers. All you want to do is present a your fairyland vision, of how YOU visualize it to be. Unable to face the reality, you look for any tidbit of 'positive' in a cess pool of pure caca!
You and your friend Scooby are not worth paying attention to. Take your judgemental attitude and spout it off at the local Kingdom Hall and see how long it takes for the elder's to throw you out on your ear!
Funny thing is you can spout off stuff like you just did, yet Simon will tolerate your foolishness.......hows that for a POSITIVE????????
Danny 'Fed up Class'***
you, farkel and others continue to mete out unfair assessments of the position i have taken because it apparently is out of sync with your worldview.
also, that remark implying that simon tolerates my posts as if my expressed beliefs are a nuisance on this forum are putting words in his mouth.
you seem to think that it's inappropriate to express views on jehovahs-witness.com that don't support the specific partylines of two major camps: partyline jehovah's witnesses as represented by the watchtower society or farkelline ex-jehovah's witnesses with strong steinhaugist underpinnings.
Derrick and associated 'cheerleader's' wearing pom pom's,
This is what you said:
***I appreciate your kind words toward others on this forum such as myself, thus demonstrating your complete lack of spiritually suffocating bias. It's obvious so many suffer deep seated biases, isn't it? Bias is often the byproduct of fattened egos. Little do they know these traits starve the soul of oxygen, preventing mental, emotional and spiritual growth. These traits smother the ability to think outside the box. Poisonous carbon monoxide is the main byproduct of this negativity, and we know what happens to those who breath its fumes, i.e., emotional retardation, loss of common sense and the ability to think logically, inability to clearly reason, and a host of spiritual maladies. It's truly a very sad situation, ScoobySnax! Let us pray that God helps reclaim these many lives who have succumbed to the spiritually depraved environment on the internet where people actually glamorize spiritual death and life outside of God's Kingdom. Many are discovering the hard way all glitters is not gold as these promoters promised them.***
Now lets all hear a cheer for Derrick, come on Friday, Scooby Do, where's You Know, Iam sure he could find something funny to laugh at, in this most defamatory commentary on the likes of poster's frequenting this forum.
Sure Derrick explain away your words, you can't and you know it. They stand as a testament to your perception of those not cheering your view.
Since you were to cowardly to post your comments in the thread in question, my next post will show my reply. Why you feel the need to draw such attention to yourself by starting these new threads is pretty indicative of your motive. You could have very easily responded to me and dedaisy, but you chose to brodcast your displeasure, by SHOUTING AT THE ENTIRE FORUM.
my response follows........
i live in southern california.
it snows up in the mountains sometimes, but i really haven't seen a good snowfall for many years.
i am visiting my sister in il soon and will probably see a lot of snow.. .
Windchaser,
Iam going up to Big Bear for Christmas, we hope it will snow. If it does I will have you to thank, for making me think about millions of people floating down to earth!
Damn you have ruined it for me.
Good analogy Wind. Ever notice how some snow flakes accumulate on the branches of tree's, then a strong wind comes along and the whole bunch fall to the ground?
Maybe all us 'snowflakes' should stop accumulating in big cities, especially in tornado country.
Beautiful poetic thoughts Wind.........
Danny
as i stood at my kitchen window, i could see them walking by the front of my house.
are they going to make that turn and start the small climb up the driveway?
"groan"!
Beautiful,
Of course it's Courtney Love, ahehem I knew that! I am getting old eh? And I do believe 'the attitude' part.
I think what your refering to is 'mellowing'.....me to.....in fact when they come to our door, I don't even answer anymore, I know how much they are hoping no one answer's, so I accomodate them. The last time they were here, they pulled up in our driveway, left the engine running, talked for about 5 min. then two of them apporached the door and left a tract, knocked ever so lightly.
Sat in thier car for another 5min and then drove away. I could tell it was one of those car groups made up of 'favorite service partner's', you remember them, they were the most fun, alway's ready to stop for donuts, break early for lunch...........
We can read them like a book.
Danny
many on this site focus on the society's negative aspects.
it's as if many of you are afraid to mention anything positive just in case it might reveal that jehovah's witnesses are humans who keep trying, even after various human failings, to make a positive impact on this world.. don't you agree that it's fair to give them credit when due?
then read on.
Derrick and Scooby,
Taking the 'high road' here in this place is easy for fella's like you. You slither around representing yourselves as jw's in one form or another, yet continue to post here on this nefarious 'apostate site'.
I tell you what, you two are really the epitime of self agrondizing con artists. You have convinced yourselves that you are better than the average jw, thus allowing you to ignore the advice and policy of the wtbs in seeking out association with vile apostates.
You utilize this forum for your own self promotion, yet when confronted with facts, questions, sincere observations, you simply ignore them. What two pompus self absorbed dingbats you really are.
Rick your above post betray's your angst, you just simply can't bear the fact, that you have no answers. All you want to do is present a your fairyland vision, of how YOU visualize it to be. Unable to face the reality, you look for any tidbit of 'positive' in a cess pool of pure caca!
You and your friend Scooby are not worth paying attention to. Take your judgemental attitude and spout it off at the local Kingdom Hall and see how long it takes for the elder's to throw you out on your ear!
Funny thing is you can spout off stuff like you just did, yet Simon will tolerate your foolishness.......hows that for a POSITIVE????????
Danny 'Fed up Class'
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type in your name and find out what your mob nick name would be.. http://www.rickmelfi.com/sopranos.html
The Hobo Clown (?)
notice lately the threads discussing pain?
viv, dave, joelbear.... .
we all come from different walks of life, some of us have had things easier than others on a personal level, and yet we share a common bond.
Amanda,
Dave said it very well in his post. I think you are setting an example for most everyone here, in overcoming fear and pain.
***But I am so worried, so afraid that one little thing will topple it all down. One little thing will set him off and I will loose my daddy forever. He is old, tired, and I want to let him down anymore.***
Iam in the same situation with my daughter's. Relationship's with any jw is a tentative prospect, but when it is family it is hell. You just never know when the next KM or Wt mag will carry some 'new' policy that shatter's your hope.
Great post. Like Dave said, you have come a long way baby!
Danny
Ps Dave linger in that HUG a little longer with Amanda will you.........on second thought, keep your hands off her!
Edited by - DannyBear on 5 December 2002 9:30:7
