this topic has been talked about before but it is worth mentioning again.
the revelation grand climax book is currently being studied ar the book studies world wide (4th time) usually on tuesday nights.
at the book study the jws are force fed false doctrine by the wts evil slave class.
That Revelation Climax book is an embarassment and seems to have been written by persons with a High School education (no offense meant
LOL - Yes, in a number of years, it will be relegated to the "old light department" much like Rutheford's book: Enemies. The book's real value will prove to be that of a fictional work - much like the Turner Diaries and the Left Behind Series.
is it my imination,but has bad news increased for wt?
I think that the internet is undermining their percieved power. They can't keep secrets anymore. Now days, anyone can go online and download the Shepherd book (only for elders eyes) or just read it online. Anyone can go online and read or download the official Branch Manual. And, would anyone have been able to find out about the UN / NGO scandal without the internet?
Another thing that the internet is doing is making Raymond Franz's books more popular than ever before. His books are constantly being discussed and quoted from online. Many newer JWs who came into the organization after 1980 had never even heard of Ray Franz. I think the borg is very aware of this phenomenon. I believe that is why this Summer's district conventions are going to highlight talks such as "Do Not Follow False Stories".
The Watchtower's little fiefdom is not as impregnable as they thought. Their years of secrecy and totalitarian control over Witnesses is coming back to bite them in the rear end.
i have been banned by a jw on whose blog i was posting.. because i posted some truth about the wt false prohecies and about paedophile cases.
if anyone wants to post the address is below.
you will need a google account to post.
I have been banned by a JW on whose blog I was posting.
You should consider this a compliment. There is an old saying: When everyone is thinking alike;somebody isn't thinking.
Your dismissal is a matter of convenience for them. They need to maintain an intellectually sterilized environment where their fanciful ideas can have a free flow without the inconveneince of rational thought or evidence.
" (quote from the watchtower, august 1st, 2001, page 14).
(quote from the watchtower, december 1st, 1981 issue, page 27).
(quote from the watchtower, december 1st, 1990 issue, page 19).
I think that organizations can have several cult characteristics without technically being a cult. There are large corporations which have had certain characteristics of an organized crime ring, without technically being on. However, it all depends upon one's definition of the word cult.
I think that the two vital aspects that a group must have to be a true "cult" is for the members to be physically or geographically removed or separated from society at large (i.e. Jonestown, Heavens Gate, Branch Dividians, Moonies, etc).
Also, I think that a group must demonstrate a clear pattern of financial exploitation where members come to rely upon the group and leadership for physical needs.
There are other groups that are labeled "cults" which do not demonstrate these characteristics: The Mormons, Seventh Day Adventists, Freemasons, and others.
this topic has been talked about before but it is worth mentioning again.
the revelation grand climax book is currently being studied ar the book studies world wide (4th time) usually on tuesday nights.
at the book study the jws are force fed false doctrine by the wts evil slave class.
It seems 1914 was the announcement of the first world war. It does not mean there was no violence, war, or disease on a global scale prior to that date. It makes me mental to think about this stuff! Any trying to communicate with an active JW makes me even more insane!!
From a Biblical perspective, I think this is why it is much more accurate to place the beginning of the "last days" at Pentacost. It was shortly after the deaths of the apostles that persecution against Christians really got into full swing. And, as we have noted earlier, there were plagues, and famines that dwarfed plagues and famines of the 20th century.
If anyone wants to attempt to interpret the Seven Trumpet Blasts of Revelation, (which I think is futile anyway) it would make much more sense to attribute these "blasts" to events which occured over a span of several centuries, instead of trying to arbitrarily tie them to events on one century.
will this arrogant, presumptuous organization that has ruined so many lives, that loves to talk about humility and modesty, ever present a formal apology to all those who've suffered at their hands?.
would it really matter if they did?.
nvrgnbk .
no. moving on means not waiting around for apologies.
to me, if "they" ever do apologize, i hope i am so far removed from them that i remain unaware of it, frankly.
Good points. Yeah, I agree that waiting for any kind of apologies is fruitless. I think that Jesus' words about "shaking the dust off your feet" applies in this situation as well.
the reason that i ask this question is for two reasons mainly.. firstly, my experience as a jw and within the various congregations i was part of, was that they were a very mixed bag.
there were those who were very devout, studious and appeared to be very humble and placid in nature.
there were those that were very judgemental of others.
My mental health has improved dramatically. When I was on the Watchtower treadmill, I was extremely depressed and became suicidal. Now, I know what it truly means to be a Christian. Now, I actually feel uplifted and invigorated when I study the Bible and attend church.
I have noticed that I am not nearly as judgemental any more. I have noticed that I am incredibly more empathetic and compassionate to all people. It is very freeing to be able to help people of all walks of life; not just those in your own religion. It is very freeing to be able to judge people based upon their character instead of on their religious affiliation. It is very freeing to not have to evaluate people as "Witnesses vs. worldly people".
I have developed much more love for people since leaving the Watchtower. And, I have much deeper faith in God and His Son Jesus Christ since leaving the Watchtower.
this is a thought that i've been pondering on for a while now.
more than a few on this forum cite lack of love as one of the .
major reasons that they quit attending jw meetings, and while.
I noticed that despite the love that is shown to each other; there is a very troubling judgementalism that exists just below the surface. I began to notice that JWs judge and critique the "spirituality" of their fellows based upon organizational standards; not Scriptural ones. If a brother is in his 30s or 40s and does not have some kind of title (i.e. MS, Elder) the friends look upon him with less respect. The Field Service Report Slip is a tool by which people are monitored, and critiqued. If a brother does not produce good enough stats, he is not deemed worthy of serving in any capacity in the congregation.
I came to realize that the Watchtower leadership is much more interested in perpetuating the organization, than they are in uplifting and shepherding Christ's sheep. Their idea of "shepherding" is to micromanage, control, and force everyone into robotic, lock-step conformity.
Their idea of providing for the flock is to continually coerce them to march forward on the organizational treadmill. That is not the Christian way. That is more characteristic of commercial corporations.
will this arrogant, presumptuous organization that has ruined so many lives, that loves to talk about humility and modesty, ever present a formal apology to all those who've suffered at their hands?.
would it really matter if they did?.
nvrgnbk .
When I was in a session with my exit-counselor; she made a very interesting observation that I had never thought about before.
She stated that cultic organizations have a bizarre double standard where it is acceptable for the leadership to have a fault-finding attitude toward the rank & file; but it is never acceptable for the rank & file to have any fault-finding attitude toward the leadership. That, I believe, is what sums up this subject.
When someone apologizes, they are admitting that they were wrong. In Watchtower mentality, theorganization is never wrong; it merely undergoes adjustments. The organizational mentality isbased upon a concept of refinements, adjustments, and "new light". In their minds, they are never wrong. It is this attitude, that I believe is their greatest weakness; and is why they continue to lose members.
this topic has been talked about before but it is worth mentioning again.
the revelation grand climax book is currently being studied ar the book studies world wide (4th time) usually on tuesday nights.
at the book study the jws are force fed false doctrine by the wts evil slave class.
As we know the world has always been violent. Our times are not any better or worse than two thousand yrs ago we just have more people.
This is strong evidence, I believe, as to why it is very arbitrary and irrational to mark the beginning of the last days at 1914. The Black Death killed several times more than the Spanish influenza. The modern media chronicles every major act of violence (i.e. Coumbine, Virginia Tech, etc.) but Witnesses don't give much thought to the mass slaughters that were carried out by the Vikings, Mongol Hordes, Attila the Hun, Genghis Khan, and the genocide that was committed against native Americans.
There seems to be a strange mental disconnect from history within the Watchtower organization. The Watchtower organization would have people believe that these phenomenons have become worse after 1914; which simply is not the case. To attempt to place all of the "Seven Trumpet Blasts" after 1914 is rather fanciful and immaginative at best.
