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Selection of the JWs in 1918/1919 - how might a JW attempt to show from the Bible

by insearchoftruth in

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i had asked my wife, who is in the study phase with a jw sister about the selection of the jws by jc in 1918/1919 time frame and she had actually never heard of that.. the husband of this woman she is studying with has been chomping at the bit to talk to me...well my wife said she will ask him to come show me, using only the bible, how this selection was made...of course she did not clear this request with the dubman before telling me she would do this.. i am guessing he will be there when i get home from work tomorrow, she is also torturing our son with a bs now (her son from a previous marriage).. what sort of reach do you think he will try to make to show this...i am guessing he will try to show 1914 from the daniel/revelation stuff, if he does this i am going to ask him to show 607bce from a non jw source....since i believe it is 586/587 bce as a starting date......i hope to keep him on the 1918/1919 topic, and have some examples of their beliefs from that era to talk about as well.

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Drew Sagan posted:

Don't let them jump the topic and start telling you about how "clean" they were back then, or that they were the only people that had the truth. Focus on dates! They most likely will say stuff like "we were the only ones right about the trinity, immortal soul, ect" and that is why God chose us.
1914/1918/1919 does everything for the Watchtower, but what exactly would an all powerful god need such confusing dates for?

When sticking to dates, if he attempts to go on with the presentation on how they came to 1914, would this be the time to mention 586/587, or wait a week and 'do some research?'

I am really hoping my wife is present when we talk about this, I want it to be a jumping off point to a 'Captives of a Concept' type discussion....

Would this also be a time to mention that there are still Bible Students today who were believing the same exact things as the folks who are now JWs.....and these folks in many cases are much more rigidly in line with what was 'inspected' in 1918/1919.

PrimateDave posted:

Since no dates as we know them are to be found in the Bible, the only reliable and universally agreed upon date between JWs and the secular world is the conquest of Babylon in 539 BCE. Then you have to use the Watchtower CD to list the Babylonian kings and the duration of their reigns to show that it was not possible for Nebuchadnezzar to destroy Jerusalem in 607 BCE. The so-called Gentile times prophecy based on Nebuchadnezzar's dream is a pretty flimsy construct. Very few Witnesses are able to explain it even.

Isn't this the KISS approach that I believe it was AlleyMom had posted.....

Is the Isiah book on the WT CD??

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Selection of the JWs in 1918/1919 - how might a JW attempt to show from the Bible

by insearchoftruth in

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i had asked my wife, who is in the study phase with a jw sister about the selection of the jws by jc in 1918/1919 time frame and she had actually never heard of that.. the husband of this woman she is studying with has been chomping at the bit to talk to me...well my wife said she will ask him to come show me, using only the bible, how this selection was made...of course she did not clear this request with the dubman before telling me she would do this.. i am guessing he will be there when i get home from work tomorrow, she is also torturing our son with a bs now (her son from a previous marriage).. what sort of reach do you think he will try to make to show this...i am guessing he will try to show 1914 from the daniel/revelation stuff, if he does this i am going to ask him to show 607bce from a non jw source....since i believe it is 586/587 bce as a starting date......i hope to keep him on the 1918/1919 topic, and have some examples of their beliefs from that era to talk about as well.

insearchoftruth

I had asked my wife, who is in the study phase with a JW sister about the selection of the JWs by JC in 1918/1919 time frame and she had actually never heard of that.

The husband of this woman she is studying with has been chomping at the bit to talk to me...well my wife said she will ask him to come show me, using only the bible, how this selection was made...of course she did not clear this request with the dubman before telling me she would do this.

I am guessing he will be there when I get home from work tomorrow, she is also torturing our son with a bs now (her son from a previous marriage).

What sort of reach do you think he will try to make to show this...I am guessing he will try to show 1914 from the Daniel/Revelation stuff, if he does this I am going to ask him to show 607BCE from a non JW source....since I believe it is 586/587 BCE as a starting date......I hope to keep him on the 1918/1919 topic, and have some examples of their beliefs from that era to talk about as well

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What did JW believe when JC picked them up in 1919?

by Albert Einstein in

we had a discussion today with my jw wife:.

wife: fd slave is the the only channel to god and you must accept it and obbey them!.

albert: why do you say they are?.

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So no answer yet......supposedly the husband of the gal who is leading my wife's 'personal bible study' (I get queasy when I hear her say that) is going to come over tomorrow and show me....from the Bible...only, how it shows the selection of the JWs in 1919....shall be interesting....my guess is he is going to attempt to jump to something else.....or try to show me the convoluted way they get to 1914....if he does show up, I need to aim to keep him on the 1919 selection....

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Do/did you like to read Daily Text?

by Albert Einstein in

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i hated it.

we actually never really did.. once, on vacations, we were with another family, they prepared food on the table for breakfast .... and then nobody could touch it for some 15 minutes, when daddy was reading daily text and asking childish questions ... family members were raising hands and answering .... we all were hungry... watching the food ... and hoping it will soon be over (i dont mean armageddon, i mean daily text...) i felt just like an idiot..... albert.

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isn't it just a rehash of some wt article from the previous year...which is most likely a rehash of an older article?

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MY APOLOGIES TO ALL

by Mary in

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looking back over the last few weeks, i think i've been unnessarily rude to some posters and i just want to apologize to anyone who has been on the receiving end of my anger recently.. i believe that i'm so angry, dismayed, devastated and heartbroken over what's happening to my brother in law, that i've been taking it out on others and that's not right.

it makes absolutely no difference what i think of the wts as a whole, or whether or not americans have a universal healthcare system......none of that makes any difference whatsoever when someone you love and has been like your brother for 35 years is dying and there's not a fucking thing we can do about it.. my sister just called me and there's more bad news, and that's that his disease has now progressed into the acute myeloid leukemia which means he cannot start the therapy they were going to give him, as this is far more serious now.

they want to start chemo right away, but his blood counts aren't up high enough for him to survive.

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Hope for peace Mary...you are a wonderful person!!!

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Life Everlasting in Freedom of the Sons of God PDF?

by Mickey mouse in

can someone help me with an active link to a pdf of this publication?

i have done a search but all the pdf links i can find (as recent as april of this year) are dead

mm.

insearchoftruth

I believe it's still online at:

http://www.strictlygenteel.co.uk/lifeeverlasting/1966_Life_Everlasting.pdf

Sure was...thanks! Tried google initially with no luck....appreciate the link cabasilas!

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Do Jehovah's Witnesses even know their own teachings...

by Tuesday in

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i've had a rash of people commenting on my videos lately that seem to not even understand their own teachings.

it leads me to question if jehovah's witnesses can even explain their own beliefs.

for example if i ask a question about the 1914 doctrine specifically about the biblical backing behind 607 bce being the year for the destruction of jerusalem, 9 times out of 10 i'm going to get some sort of answer that involves the "prophecy" in matthew 24 and how it somehow has been fufilled since 1914.. apart from the fact i honestly don't think i can find a jehovah's witness who will actually understand the question at hand enough to answer the points therein, i'm to the point where i don't know if jehovah's witnesses even understand their own teachings.

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Then someone responds with "Blood fractions aren't whole blood, so they're conscience matters

And that is pretty much the exact answer I got from my wife and then she told me how the Thursday book study article made it so clear to her, she even read the article to me.....it is a taught answer, and the blind adornment of the GB is what makes it all possible......the witnesses don't know their own teachings, I have asked what I consider very simple questions on their doctrines of some of the folks my wife has studied with, either getting 'let me research that in the bible (really WT disc) and get back with you or an attempt to shift back to either the book my wife was studying or an area of comfort.

Blood fractions, 1914, 1919, even the sealing of the anointed being changed, no clue whatsoever, and with the teaching on nulite and the ever increasing role and power of the GB, it really does not matter to any of the JWs.

As long as there are bad things going on and being broadcast in the news, the JWs have something to lean on and talk about us being in the worst times ever, so no need to rely on the old and unknown doctrines......

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